2.3 TRILLION bucks 'missing' from Pentagon on 9/10/01

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by August

All due respect to the Danish University but a miniature is different than the full size original by definition.

I personally know people who saw it happen with their own eyes. I personally know people who worked in all three buildings in the days and weeks prior to the event who would have had to notice any signs of preplanned demolition or other construction. I personally saw it happen on live network TV along with just about every other one of my fellow citizens with access to a TV set on that morning.

You'll forgive me if i'm a bit skeptic that this terrible event was anything besides the terrorist attack we believe it to be.

No one have said that!

They just wanted to see if they could "copy" this event(steel that breaks and not bending) and they didn't succed and no other university a.s.o have manege to get the same result. They could have build one or two storey that would have been enough.

Never before or after have a building or a skyscraper, "crushed" during a fire.

I do NOT believe in all thise 9/11 conspiracy. I'm a scientist and I think like one and I say, there's more to it, than meets the eye, when it comes to those two WTC "freefall"

About this independent investigation. Whatever result they may come to, there will always be those who will denie their result.

Markus

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[krashkart]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Never before or after have a building or a skyscraper, "crushed" during a fire.

Up until that day no building had ever been hit by a 100+ ton jet aircraft. *shrug*

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by krashkart

Up until that day no building had ever been hit by a 100+ ton jet aircraft. *shrug*

True indeed

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by krashkart

Up until that day no building had ever been hit by a 100+ ton jet aircraft. *shrug*

true - but (BIG BUT) WTC7 came down from fire also and no plane hit that


Meh. I dont really care for the truthers demolition theory, nor do i care for the offical fire-weakened-steel theroy - Niether one has, or ever will be be proven or disproven.

The Evidence was melted down and sold ten years ago.
Why the remains of the 3 failed WTC buildings and the two boeings were disposed of with out any forensic examination is a question that no one can answer.
You find me one other aviation disaster in the past 40 odd years where they just didnt bother with an examination of the debris....

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by JU_88

true - but (BIG BUT) WTC7 came down from fire also and no plane hit that

Which would indicate that if it was a conspiracy then the conspirators were incredibly stupid, thinking no one would notice.

Why the remains of the 3 failed WTC buildings and the two boeings were disposed of with out any forensic examination is a question that no one can answer.

I can answer that quite easily. Either

1) They were in a hurry to cover up any possible evidence, which might work for the buildings but would make no sense for the aircraft, since it's obvious what happened to them (which is what truthers want you to believe, or

2) Since it was obvious what happened, why bother to examine the debris? An aircraft investigation is usually conducted to discover what happened and why. In this case both were presumed to be known. A mistake? Possibly. A cover-up? Not likely.

You find me one other aviation disaster in the past 40 odd years where they just didnt bother with an examination of the debris....

And I have to ask: What debris? What exactly remained of an aluminum aircraft that flew headlong into a steel building? There may not have been anything left to examine.

You might want to take a look at this analysis of the pentagon evidence:
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...ns/debris.html

And these pictures of the wreckage from inside the pentagon, especially the wheel photos:
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...ns/debris.html

And a better analysis of the same story:
http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/nodebris.html

[MothBalls]

Originally Posted by Oberon

$2.3 trillion? That's enough for a toilet seat and a hammer isn't it?

Don't exaggerate. Those were only $600.00 USD each. It was shipping and handling that ran the bill up.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by JU_88

true - but (BIG BUT) WTC7 came down from fire also and no plane hit that

I'm betting that it was a Creeper.

[Kongo Otto]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

And I have to ask: What debris? What exactly remained of an aluminum aircraft that flew headlong into a steel building? There may not have been anything left to examine.

maybe you should look this one, about your debris question, it was done years before 9/11

F4 Phantom crash test against concrete wall:

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Which would indicate that if it was a conspiracy then the conspirators were incredibly stupid, thinking no one would notice.

To be fair -most people didnt notice. they were still in too much of a shock from the towers coming down, and there was relitivley little media coverage of WTC7s collapes.
We are supposed to belive that office fires over a few floors caused the 47 story steel building to near symetrically collapes into its own foot print.
Im no engineer, so maybe its possible, but then again 1,627 architects and engineers say thats its not. http://www.ae911truth.org/

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I can answer that quite easily. Either

1) They were in a hurry to cover up any possible evidence, which might work for the buildings but would make no sense for the aircraft, since it's obvious what happened to them (which is what truthers want you to believe, or

2) Since it was obvious what happened, why bother to examine the debris? An aircraft investigation is usually conducted to discover what happened and why. In this case both were presumed to be known. A mistake? Possibly. A cover-up? Not likely.

Its possible I suppose that it was overlooked, but it doesn't seem likely that organisations such as FEMA and NIST simply forgot to do their job properly.
We dont normally 'assume' why buildings collapes or why aircraft crash, we normally check to make sure, (Even when it seems obvious!)
If a 737 pilot reports a dual engine failure before a fatal crash, we still investigate, to se if he was correct.
Likewise if two 110 storey building fall to the gound after plane impacts and fires, we still need know exactly how it happened from a scientific point of view.
If nothing else it could help us build safer highrise buildings in the future.
Ground Zero was both a disaster Zone and a crime scene, but for what ever reason it was only treated as the former.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

And I have to ask: What debris? What exactly remained of an aluminum aircraft that flew headlong into a steel building? There may not have been anything left to examine.

Well we have managed to examined aircraft that have flown headlong in to the ground, or at least recover the flight data recorders.
you dont need me to tell you that the ground is denser than a steel and glass building. But who knows...

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

You might want to take a look at this analysis of the pentagon evidence:
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...ns/debris.html

And these pictures of the wreckage from inside the pentagon, especially the wheel photos:
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...ns/debris.html

And a better analysis of the same story:
http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/nodebris.html

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Thank for the links, i will see if they have anything I may have missed.
I am skeptical about the pentegon, but im not convinced either way. I would like to see them release some of the CCTV footage they collected that clearly shows a 757 hit the building.
I will not believe that such footage doesnt exist, we are talking about the Pentagon
That would remove all doubt in my mind.

Anyway, there is too much speculation, most people who conduct armchair investigations into 9/11 are either Conspiricy theroists or Conspiricy Debunkers who have already made up there mind on what happened and just choose the bits that support what they belive.

but then again 1,627 architects and engineers say thats its not.

I could probably list more than 1600 architects and engineers who are absolutely clueless, so if its that easy to come up with those numbers on a very localised list how much weight does 1600 architects and engineers that you know nothing of scale on a worldwide count?
It like saying 0.00000000000000000000000001% of doctors dispute the link between smoking and some cancers and holding up a herbalist with some magic stones and an online doctorate from St Barts(Lagos branch)as a medical expert

[Armistead]

Look, we all know the truth, GW Bush, a secret group of CIA officers and Fox News and did all of this. They spent months planting explosives in all these buildings, perfectly timed with plane hits so they could murder 3000 americans...


Sorry, Bush was so dumb he couldn't beat himself out of a wet paper bag.
Like WMD's....that was proven a known myth.

It would take 1000's of people to be in the know around the world at highest levels without any talking or getting caught.

They call themselves truthers, but operate on possible theories..

[Dowly]

*sigh* Here we go again.

Look, there was no "freefall", load up a video of the towers collapsing and time it.
You'll notice that the "truther" theory is nothing but BS. That's how they do it.

Re: USAF failing
Ju_88, what exactly makes you say that? Lemme guess, Loose Chance?
Again, do your own research. The "truthers" say it should've taken, what, 10-15
minutes to intercept the planes? Wanna know what they base that on?
On a flight control simulator, i.e. a video game. Nothing but BS.

Do you your own damn research people.

There's nothing in 9/11 that indicates there was any foul play.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

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[MH]

A new religion is born lol