Drumbeat? Whose Drum?

joea · 12-04-05, 01:30 PM

Well what is it 8 months after getting the sim , finally went on a campaign drumbeat mission (2nd Happy Time)

I have done one or two single missions (my own) just to see, though this was before I heavily modded the game.

Just had my most frustrating patrol. Started out ok oh I solved my save game bug...after the long trip ended up near the mouth of the Hudson ... well close being 100km away. Shallow water...weather bad, light fog and wind missed some ships (picked out the contacts easily enough and figured out the lanes they use) thanks to crappy visibility, hydrophones seemed to be useless in the bad weather and shallow water. Did manage to track and sink a Liberty ship and a small tanker. Then the weather went to ****, rain and heavy fog so I stood off in deep water.

Then a Clemson and a Evart found me and pounded me in the rain. Hwo the hell did they pinpoint me? Did Evarts serve in February 42? Did they have radar? I had a hard time evading them, two dead and a heavily damaged boat. NO way after 4 patrols should I have had more trouble with USN escorts than British escorts...the Brits always seemed to be sleeping.

This sim seems to still have some problems. I am using RuB 1.45, HT 1.46 and SH3 Commander 2.3

CCIP · 12-04-05, 01:39 PM

The issue is indeed radar. I believe all escorts get some form of radar in 1942. The same is true of airborne radar, for example.

One thing that might be worthwhile for modders is to try and tweak around with the equipment dates a bit.

panthercules · 12-04-05, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

The issue is indeed radar. I believe all escorts get some form of radar in 1942. The same is true of airborne radar, for example.

One thing that might be worthwhile for modders is to try and tweak around with the equipment dates a bit.

Yeah - I lost my brand new IXB on my first Drumbeat patrol in my first career several months ago - also off NY, and also from a Clemson that spotted me at night at dead slow from 8000m away on a moonless night in mid January 1942 - from the radar research I did after that it still seems highly unlikely that those old USN destroyers could possibly have had surface radar that would spot a u-boat from that far away at that time of the war, but I just chalked it up to bad luck and started a new career anyway - if I make it back to 1942 in this one I'll probably head further south and try for some lone merchants/tankers around Florida this time.

joea · 12-04-05, 05:28 PM

Well I got lucky, once I submerged I did shake them. My damage was all gunfire, and on my shopping list for the next mission is a radar detector for sure.

bookworm_020 · 12-04-05, 06:59 PM

The radar detector has saved my skin many times over. My crew are building an alter to it as we speak!

Radar is useful, but only when the 360 scan model comes out. It's also best to use it only when needed and then for short periods of time.

I have also used homing torps! I love the little beasties to death. I have to make a full report of the first patrol I used then on. It Makes for good reading.

Kalach · 12-04-05, 08:15 PM

I'm up to early '45 in my IID, the IID doesn't get radar itself but does get the radar detectors. As soon as a get a radar detected warning I dive, so far only once has a DD been able to find me after that (maybe if I change the TC from 8x to 1x on radar detection it would eliminate this).
But getting to my point... Maybe if you only installed the detectors and not radar of your own it may help? I suppose it would make it a bit harder to find merchants though :hmm:

note; I'm refering to career mode, if this only applies to the single missions this might be irrelivent.

John Pancoast · 12-04-05, 08:50 PM

Anytime one *uses* any type of radar, you just as well erect a huge neon sign pointing to your location. Be it air, land, or sea.

It was that way in WW2, and it still is today.

Wolfram · 12-05-05, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kalach

I'm up to early '45 in my IID, ...

Mister I have to salute your courage. A type II in 1945?

Kalach · 12-05-05, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfram

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Originally Posted by Kalach

I'm up to early '45 in my IID, ...

Mister I have to salute your courage. A type II in 1945?

Checkout the thread about the II's, I'm a strong supporter of the IID

I'm going to post my Commander logs when the war ends (or we die

).

I've learnt my lesson though, radar detectors are much more important than radar

12-04-05, 01:30 PM	#1
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Drumbeat? Whose Drum? Well what is it 8 months after getting the sim , finally went on a campaign drumbeat mission (2nd Happy Time) I have done one or two single missions (my own) just to see, though this was before I heavily modded the game. Just had my most frustrating patrol. Started out ok oh I solved my save game bug...after the long trip ended up near the mouth of the Hudson ... well close being 100km away. Shallow water...weather bad, light fog and wind missed some ships (picked out the contacts easily enough and figured out the lanes they use) thanks to crappy visibility, hydrophones seemed to be useless in the bad weather and shallow water. Did manage to track and sink a Liberty ship and a small tanker. Then the weather went to ****, rain and heavy fog so I stood off in deep water. Then a Clemson and a Evart found me and pounded me in the rain. Hwo the hell did they pinpoint me? Did Evarts serve in February 42? Did they have radar? I had a hard time evading them, two dead and a heavily damaged boat. NO way after 4 patrols should I have had more trouble with USN escorts than British escorts...the Brits always seemed to be sleeping. This sim seems to still have some problems. I am using RuB 1.45, HT 1.46 and SH3 Commander 2.3

12-04-05, 01:39 PM	#2
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	The issue is indeed radar. I believe all escorts get some form of radar in 1942. The same is true of airborne radar, for example. One thing that might be worthwhile for modders is to try and tweak around with the equipment dates a bit. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

12-04-05, 06:59 PM	#5
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	The radar detector has saved my skin many times over. My crew are building an alter to it as we speak! Radar is useful, but only when the 360 scan model comes out. It's also best to use it only when needed and then for short periods of time. I have also used homing torps! I love the little beasties to death. I have to make a full report of the first patrol I used then on. It Makes for good reading. __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

12-04-05, 05:28 PM	#4
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Well I got lucky, once I submerged I did shake them. My damage was all gunfire, and on my shopping list for the next mission is a radar detector for sure.

12-04-05, 08:15 PM	#6
Kalach Weps Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 366 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	I'm up to early '45 in my IID, the IID doesn't get radar itself but does get the radar detectors. As soon as a get a radar detected warning I dive, so far only once has a DD been able to find me after that (maybe if I change the TC from 8x to 1x on radar detection it would eliminate this). But getting to my point... Maybe if you only installed the detectors and not radar of your own it may help? I suppose it would make it a bit harder to find merchants though :hmm: note; I'm refering to career mode, if this only applies to the single missions this might be irrelivent.

12-04-05, 08:50 PM	#7
John Pancoast Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Minnysoda Posts: 3,211 Downloads: 501 Uploads: 4	Anytime one uses any type of radar, you just as well erect a huge neon sign pointing to your location. Be it air, land, or sea. It was that way in WW2, and it still is today.