Type XXI diving

[Fish In The Water]

Originally Posted by JazzJR

Thats true, the most important Vehicles came much too late to make a difference. Me 262 , XXI submarine , King Tiger tank and so on.

Makes for great 'what if' scenarios though... Like what if they had arrived a couple of years earlier...

[JazzJR]

Hm i don't really know. But they would need to produce them in high numbers. And they never did because they were hard to construct. If i just think about the Idea of an Landkreuzer (Land Cruiser) P1000 "Ratte" A "tank" with 2x 28cm mainguns (same as on the Scharnhorst) , 8x 2cm Flak , 2x 15,1mm MG. Length 35Meters, Width 14 m.

But they didn't had the ressources to build these Tanks in high numbers. If they had them and would have them in the same numbers like the russian T-34 or Sherman Tank they would have atleast conquered russia i think.

[Fish In The Water]

Originally Posted by JazzJR

Hm i don't really know. But they would need to produce them in high numbers. And they never did because they were hard to construct.

I've often wondered how the E-100 might have faired if it had made it into production. Seems a fearsome weapon (at first blush), but I suppose the question remains if it would have proven too cumbersome in actual trials - let alone actual combat.

Still, it gives us plenty to ponder, (and what's more in a case like this) - speculation can run rampant as there is no definitive answer.

[JazzJR]

Originally Posted by Fish In The Water

I've often wondered how the E-100 might have faired if it had made it into production. Seems a fearsome weapon (at first blush), but I suppose the question remains if it would have proven too cumbersome in actual trials - let alone actual combat.

Still, it gives us plenty to ponder, (and what's more in a case like this) - speculation can run rampant as there is no definitive answer.

Well the E-100 was just another "crazy" idea of an "perfect" Tank but small compared to the P-1000. They really should have build the Tiger and Panther tank in higher numbers. There was no tank which could really harm these tanks. The most were destroyed by the crew or in fact of a damaged clutch or other failures.

But to be honest, i don't really want to know how the world would look like if germany had won the WW2. I think there would be war till to this day.
But the good thing is that many inventions from the WW2 german military were used for civilian things, just like the first jet engine of the Me-262.

[Fish In The Water]

Originally Posted by JazzJR

But the good thing is that many inventions from the WW2 german military were used for civilian things, just like the first jet engine of the Me-262.

True...

As loathsome and horrible as war is, we did gain a technological quantum leap which still benefits our lives today. It seems one of the more interesting paradoxes of life that even something that brings so much death and destruction still delivers a 'silver lining' of sorts.

That being said, I am in no way trying to minimize the horrific loss. Merely considering theoretical possibilities as a world without an Allied victory would be most frightening indeed.

[Olsin]

Theres truth in the saying "necessity is the mother of all invention" .. and if you subscribe to the multiverse theory then Germany did win the war..just not in this universe!
In fact you can take that a step further and say that "did germany lose the war because of bad management or did they lose the war because in another universe they won it" .. The history of light says that all combinations have to be played out, hence...in some universes germany won the war but Hitler didn't see the end...in others germany won the war and Hitler survived to see the outcome..in others there will be combinations of possible scenarios....In some universes Russia won the war and carried on to subjecate the rest of the world......Stalin was infinetly scarier than Hitler!
Would the world have been a ugly place to live in by now if germany had won WW2...i doubt it!..in fact...i imagine it would be pretty much the way it is today..corrupt politicians setting the agenda with the interests of a few determining the lives of billions...We must always remember...The victors write history..not the losers.....Did the allies commit war crimes..you bet they did!!..what was the last hollywood film you saw that depicted that!

Not trying to depict Hitler and his regime in a positive light because it wasn't...theres no excuse for the barbaric slaughter of women and children regardless of religion or race but it's been proven without a shadow of a doubt that the allies knew what was happening in germany and didn't really try to do anything to stop it..Almost every nation has had persecution of the jews high on the agenda .. you just have to read your history books!..

[theroc44]

Originally Posted by Olsin

Theres truth in the saying "necessity is the mother of all invention" .. and if you subscribe to the multiverse theory then Germany did win the war..just not in this universe!
In fact you can take that a step further and say that "did germany lose the war because of bad management or did they lose the war because in another universe they won it" .. The history of light says that all combinations have to be played out, hence...in some universes germany won the war but Hitler didn't see the end...in others germany won the war and Hitler survived to see the outcome..in others there will be combinations of possible scenarios....In some universes Russia won the war and carried on to subjecate the rest of the world......Stalin was infinetly scarier than Hitler!
Would the world have been a ugly place to live in by now if germany had won WW2...i doubt it!..in fact...i imagine it would be pretty much the way it is today..corrupt politicians setting the agenda with the interests of a few determining the lives of billions...We must always remember...The victors write history..not the losers.....Did the allies commit war crimes..you bet they did!!..what was the last hollywood film you saw that depicted that!

Not trying to depict Hitler and his regime in a positive light because it wasn't...theres no excuse for the barbaric slaughter of women and children regardless of religion or race but it's been proven without a shadow of a doubt that the allies knew what was happening in germany and didn't really try to do anything to stop it..Almost every nation has had persecution of the jews high on the agenda .. you just have to read your history books!..

Star trek mirror universe loved that whole niche' lol but yea i think every now and again of the multiverse reality but it seems implausible

[Olsin]

Nopes....not Star Trek although sure, there were probably a few episodes where they jaunted out of our universe and into another but in classic Star Trek style the mechanics of it were all very dubious. Stargate tried to put some technology on it but still came up well short.
Stephen Hawkings though has explained it much better and has the agreement of a large chunk of the cosmology crew...It's apparently the only explanation that can explain some of our observations..
But yeh.....it does seem very unplausible to a general joe H.Sapien brain anno 2011.....I wonder what we'll be saying in 5011?

[Fish In The Water]

Originally Posted by Olsin

But yeh.....it does seem very unplausible to a general joe H.Sapien brain anno 2011.....I wonder what we'll be saying in 5011?

So I guess we can put you down as 'doubtful' on the whole 2012 thing...

[Olsin]

So I guess we can put you down as 'doubtful' on the whole 2012 thing...

Hahaa .. absolutely .. i didn't think much of it when i first heard about it but after hearing Dr Michio kaku's take on it .. yeh .. no way josé
It's just a bit of drama for those that like a bit of drama

[PacificWolf]

How about Gato and Balao classes, they have max dive at about 120meters is there a big differences in hull building or what?

[JazzJR]

Originally Posted by PacificWolf

How about Gato and Balao classes, they have max dive at about 120meters is there a big differences in hull building or what?

US and Russian Submarines still don't reach the depth of a new german submarine (up to 700 meters and can stay submerged for weeks!!) Maybe it is because the newer generation of german submarines (VII C/41) were weldet and not riveted. Also i think its a matter of the choise of steel.

[PacificWolf]

Originally Posted by JazzJR

US and Russian Submarines still don't reach the depth of a new german submarine (up to 700 meters and can stay submerged for weeks!!) Maybe it is because the newer generation of german submarines (VII C/41) were weldet and not riveted. Also i think its a matter of the choise of steel.

700 meters!
It is a world record?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by JazzJR

US and Russian Submarines still don't reach the depth of a new german submarine (up to 700 meters and can stay submerged for weeks!!) Maybe it is because the newer generation of german submarines (VII C/41) were weldet and not riveted. Also i think its a matter of the choise of steel.

I'd love to see your source.

[theroc44]

Originally Posted by JazzJR

US and Russian Submarines still don't reach the depth of a new german submarine (up to 700 meters and can stay submerged for weeks!!) Maybe it is because the newer generation of german submarines (VII C/41) were weldet and not riveted. Also i think its a matter of the choise of steel.

Is this a riddle from the riddler i gotta check cuz im stooped?