GWX3 minefields question

andqui · 08-01-11, 11:58 AM

I can't use my mission editor, so I can't check this in person.

How well does GWX3 simulate minefields? I've come back to SH3 after a gap of a few years, and I remember at the time it was impossible to simulate minefields of the proper density due to processor load- has this been improved? There were other barrages laid by the British in the North Sea to get Uboats in transit, with a number of successes- are these in the GWX3 campaign files? If not, is there any easy way to add them?

thanks

Sailor Steve · 08-01-11, 01:11 PM

North Sea Mine Barrage, GWX3.

sublynx · 08-01-11, 01:29 PM

There's also mines near the exit routes from Wilhelmshaven, north of Helgoland Island. How do I know? Well, one of careers ended there... Now I HATE leaving Wilhelmshaven.

08-01-11, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sublynx

There's also mines near the exit routes from Wilhelmshaven, north of Helgoland Island. How do I know? Well, one of careers ended there... Now I HATE leaving Wilhelmshaven.

5 Words.

Draggable TGA's in navigation screen.

-pditty8811

frau kaleun · 08-01-11, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pditty8811

5 Words.

Draggable TGA's in navigation screen.

-pditty8811

Nope, sorry... the drag-down maps and charts don't show mines laid by the British. They only show the mines and subnets placed by the Germans along the approaches to their own friendly harbors. The location of those defenses would be known to the Kriegsmarine, and GWX provides it accordingly.

The location of British/Allied mines dropped in random locations in the hopes of blowing up KM ships would not be available to you as a KM officer (at least not until it's too late

), so GWX does not provide you with any charts for that sort of thing. If you want to know where the Allied minefields are (without actually sailing into one) you have to interrogate the Mission Editor.

What sublynx is talking about are the mines laid by the British around Helgoland just after the war started, which have made many a hapless kaleun go *kaboom* when he decided to pass too close to the island after departing Wili. Has nothing to do with the German defenses of that harbor that are shown on the draggable chart.

Capt. Morgan · 08-01-11, 03:48 PM

I passed through a British minefield on my pre-war shakedown cruise (almost ending my career before the war had started

).

Regarding density, watching through the external cam, I'd say the mines were placed about 5 boat lengths apart - so every 300 meters or so. Looked dense enough to me, although I did manage to make it out alive.

The location of the British home water minefields (which IIRC, were widely published in order to prevent accidental merchant sinkings) are accurate, as I am sure are all the others. I was surprised to find them in place in August/'39.

max-peck · 08-01-11, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sublynx

There's also mines near the exit routes from Wilhelmshaven, north of Helgoland Island. How do I know? Well, one of careers ended there... Now I HATE leaving Wilhelmshaven.

Glad it's not just me that's hit a mine and ended a career near Helgoland

Jimbuna · 08-01-11, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andqui

I can't use my mission editor, so I can't check this in person.

How well does GWX3 simulate minefields? I've come back to SH3 after a gap of a few years, and I remember at the time it was impossible to simulate minefields of the proper density due to processor load- has this been improved? There were other barrages laid by the British in the North Sea to get Uboats in transit, with a number of successes- are these in the GWX3 campaign files? If not, is there any easy way to add them?

thanks

The minefield locations in GWX3.0 are based on official admiralty charts given to the GWX development team by an author of published WWII literature.

As far as I am aware they have never been released to the public and as such the dev team manager of the project Kpt. Lehmann was asked not to share them publicly.

If I hear to the contrary I would be more than willing to share my copies of them in this community.

Why not PM him?

Fish In The Water · 08-01-11, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

North Sea Mine Barrage, GWX3.

My hull must be made out of magnetic repellent, 'cause I cruise through there routinely and never seem to hit a thing...

Sailor Steve · 08-01-11, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish In The Water

My hull must be made out of magnetic repellent, 'cause I cruise through there routinely and never seem to hit a thing...

They're underwater, so surface ships can safely pass over. If you get into trouble and have to dive, you may be in trouble for real.

Jimbuna · 08-02-11, 02:37 AM

Plus some of the minefields have been sown at varying depths and surface traffic has been scripted away from said areas.

On occasion when attacking surface traffic their zig zagging will mean they wander into the edge of the minefield with the obvious resulting consequence.

Very bad weather can also cause them to drift into said danger areas.

Paul Riley · 08-02-11, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sublynx

There's also mines near the exit routes from Wilhelmshaven, north of Helgoland Island. How do I know? Well, one of careers ended there... Now I HATE leaving Wilhelmshaven.

Good god! thats my home base!

Why on earth would they put mines around their own ports?,to prevent the British sneaking in?!

Paul Riley · 08-02-11, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Nope, sorry... the drag-down maps and charts don't show mines laid by the British. They only show the mines and subnets placed by the Germans along the approaches to their own friendly harbors. The location of those defenses would be known to the Kriegsmarine, and GWX provides it accordingly.

The location of British/Allied mines dropped in random locations in the hopes of blowing up KM ships would not be available to you as a KM officer (at least not until it's too late

), so GWX does not provide you with any charts for that sort of thing. If you want to know where the Allied minefields are (without actually sailing into one) you have to interrogate the Mission Editor.

What sublynx is talking about are the mines laid by the British around Helgoland just after the war started, which have made many a hapless kaleun go *kaboom* when he decided to pass too close to the island after departing Wili. Has nothing to do with the German defenses of that harbor that are shown on the draggable chart.

When leaving Wili I generally stick fairly close to the Dutch coastline,I have really had no reason to go near this Helgoland.I would have thought mines were submerged objects,so they were on the surface?

Paul Riley · 08-02-11, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish In The Water

My hull must be made out of magnetic repellent, 'cause I cruise through there routinely and never seem to hit a thing...

Same here mate

I've never hit a mine yet,and I frequently pass through the channel,at least during the early part of the war

sublynx · 08-02-11, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Riley

Good god! thats my home base!

Why on earth would they put mines around their own ports?,to prevent the British sneaking in?!

There's a minefield close to the port that the Germans have put there, to protect the base from Prien kind of sneakiness from the British side. Farther out at sea, at least North of Helgoland, maybe elsewhere too, there are mines that the British have put there - the killjoys, trying to stop our raids to the British shores short

08-01-11, 11:58 AM	#1
andqui Soundman Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 149 Downloads: 195 Uploads: 0	GWX3 minefields question I can't use my mission editor, so I can't check this in person. How well does GWX3 simulate minefields? I've come back to SH3 after a gap of a few years, and I remember at the time it was impossible to simulate minefields of the proper density due to processor load- has this been improved? There were other barrages laid by the British in the North Sea to get Uboats in transit, with a number of successes- are these in the GWX3 campaign files? If not, is there any easy way to add them? thanks

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sublynx Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: In the conning tower of my VIIC scanning the sea through the periscope Posts: 1,698 Downloads: 173 Uploads: 7	There's also mines near the exit routes from Wilhelmshaven, north of Helgoland Island. How do I know? Well, one of careers ended there... Now I HATE leaving Wilhelmshaven. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] NYGM+H.sie v16+Stiebler 4C+MaGui WS

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Capt. Morgan Commander Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Just east of the west coast. Posts: 463 Downloads: 423 Uploads: 0	I passed through a British minefield on my pre-war shakedown cruise (almost ending my career before the war had started). Regarding density, watching through the external cam, I'd say the mines were placed about 5 boat lengths apart - so every 300 meters or so. Looked dense enough to me, although I did manage to make it out alive. The location of the British home water minefields (which IIRC, were widely published in order to prevent accidental merchant sinkings) are accurate, as I am sure are all the others. I was surprised to find them in place in August/'39. __________________ There are no great men, only great challenges that ordinary men are forced by circumstances to meet. -- Admiral William Halsey

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Plus some of the minefields have been sown at varying depths and surface traffic has been scripted away from said areas. On occasion when attacking surface traffic their zig zagging will mean they wander into the edge of the minefield with the obvious resulting consequence. Very bad weather can also cause them to drift into said danger areas. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!