New York Gay Marriage: First Gay Couples Marry At Midnight

[ZeeWolf]

Originally Posted by Hottentot

Thank you for the promotion. It's still just "Hottentot" to friends, though.

You may refer to me as "Sir".

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No, I will use "Phony" Dr. Hottentot.


ZeeWolf

[razark]

Even if we accept that all/most/some/just one homosexuals are child molesters, what does that have to do with them being allowed to get married?

The homosexual pedophiles will still be homosexual pedophiles whether or not they are allowed to get married. Heterosexual pedophiles will still be heterosexual pedophiles whether or not gays are allowed to get married.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by ZeeWolf

Good God you guys are ganging up on me again

So no one should say what they think unless it's guaranteed that there will be an opposing opinion for each person?

UNGAOWA! is what Tarzan would say in this situation I'm sure.

I highly doubt that Tarzan would care one way or the other about this discussion.

But you do have me reconsidering my plight.

Interesting. I'll come back to this.

I figure if that crowd (the wicked and adulterous generation) could hate and spit on Jesus.
For predicting the Temple in Jerusalem will be destroyed so utterly that not one stone would be
left upon another. And that is exactly what happened in 70A.D.[/quote]
You're jumbling Biblical quotes and trying to force them into a mold they weren't made to fit. According to the Bible Jesus said "A wicked and adulterous generation seeks a sign", which was a retort to the Pharisees when they demanded he prove himself by performing a supernatural feat. And the Pharisees, though Jews, could more aptly be compared to other religious/political leader wannabes, especially modern leaders of the Religious Right. Jesus never advocated hating any group despite knowing what was to happen.

Second, they didn't hate him and spit on him for predicting the destruction of the Temple. They did so because they were incited by the religious leaders, and they followed what they were told. And they weren't representative of all Jews, just the ones who were there that day. In that respect they were no different than the Germans who followed the Nazis. Not the Nazis themselves, but the otherwise good people who let perverted leaders goad them into acts of hatred.

Now, back to "reconsidering your plight". What exactly do you mean by this? That you're reconsidering whether you're right in your stated beliefs? Or whether you should even be here?

What chance does a "Stupid American" like me have?

Do you really believe you're stupid, or is that just another arguing point?

As for helping you with "research", if you make a claim it's your job to back it up. In another discussion on another part of this forum, I uncovered evidence in support of the person opposing me. I brought this evidence forward, because I don't lie and I don't cheat. Likewise, if I stumbled on real evidence that supported your claims I would say so, and at least open it up for discussion, if not support it outright. That said, I'm not going to go looking for "facts" that support hatred, not that I believe there are any. So yes, in your quest to destroy anything and anyone you consider inferior or "wrong", you are indeed on your own.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by razark

Even if we accept that all/most/some/just one homosexuals are child molesters, what does that have to do with them being allowed to get married?

The homosexual pedophiles will still be homosexual pedophiles whether or not they are allowed to get married. Heterosexual pedophiles will still be heterosexual pedophiles whether or not gays are allowed to get married.

Good point.

[BossMark]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I highly doubt that Tarzan would care one way or the other about this discussion.

He should be thinking about Jane , or maybe Cheetah

[MH]

Originally Posted by ZeeWolf

So, if you refuse to even lift a figure (exempt your middle one )to help assemble the data needed. And I will use the 11 to 1 figure to establish
the doubt on the mantra of the Sinless one's assertions.
And move on from there.

"the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1"

found here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1556756

Shalom

ZeeWolf

A link
http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...lestation.html

[Betonov]

And the cakes and pastry. Imagine the spike in sugar demand. Enough to make Cuba rich.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by ZeeWolf

Listen Pigwind this all I know about conspiracy:
conspiracy
n. pl. .cies 1. The planning of two or more persons to do an evil act; also, the plan so made. 2. An acting together: a conspiracy of the elements.

Absolutely nothing complicated about it. But again another term "conspiracy" is meant to silence and attack anyone the Angels of light
condemn. I want to know what are guys like you going to do when your
tactics fail and fail they will. People are waking up and seeing things they
thought they would NEVER see. And experiencing things they where promised would never happen again. I hope I can be the first warn you
that Americans will rise to face any and every threat and at that time
they will resort to some old school thinking. And guys like you won't like it.

But it's needed

ZeeWolf

Listen ZeeTroll (see, I can be as witty as you with the usernames).
This is the last time I will bother with a reply to you. I offered a discussion in the holocaust thread.
As you do not only fight Marxism, but also the English language and grammar, I asked you to make your point clear. You behaved like a spoiled brat and refused to give an adult answer.

Also thank you very much for proving many of the points, about which I wrote in post #71, with your answer. As you might not have noticed, I called nobody else in this thread with whom I disagree, a conspiracy guy, only you. Use your braincells and try to figure out why this is so.

And please refrain from uttering poorly concealed threats against me. If you want to step up to your words and do it old-school: bring it on! I offer you, that we both do it old-school European style: 1 vs 1, no weapons, no cops...
PM me if you want do do this or put your threats where the sun never shines!

Have a nice rahowa!

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by ZeeWolf

So, if you refuse to even lift a figure (exempt your middle one )to help assemble the data needed. And I will use the 11 to 1 figure to establish
the doubt on the mantra of the Sinless one's assertions.
And move on from there.

"the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1"

found here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1556756

Shalom

ZeeWolf

Another article dealing with the proportionality issue of child abuse was published by Freund and Watson in 1992. These authors5 noted the 1985 literature review by FRI’s chairman, and agreed that the ratio of female to male pedophilic victims was about 2:1, even as the proportion of heterosexual to homosexual men is about 20:1. Freund and Watson did some ‘figuring’ to arrive at an estimate that homosexual men are ‘only’ twice as apt to be pedophiles. They concluded that their findings generated support for the notion that “a homosexual development notably often does not result in androphilia [sexual desire for men] but in homosexual pedophilia [desire for boys]. … This, of course, should not be understood as saying that androphiles may have a greater propensity to offend against children than do gynephiles [men interested in sex with women],….” (p. 41). Notice that both sets of Canadian investigators went to some lengths to ‘interpret’ or ‘gloss’ their results as not harmful to the gay rights cause, but were honest enough to report ‘the facts’ as they found them.

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/20...of-pedophilia/

[AVGWarhawk]

· Pedophiles are invariably males: Almost all sex crimes against children are committed by men.
· Significant numbers of victims are males: Up to one-third of all sex crimes against children are committed against boys (as opposed to girls).
· The 10 percent fallacy: Studies indicate that, contrary to the inaccurate but widely accepted claims of sex researcher Alfred Kinsey, homosexuals comprise between 1 to 3 percent of the population.
· Homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses: Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children.
· Some homosexual activists defend the historic connection between homosexuality and pedophilia: Such activists consider the defense of "boy-lovers" to be a legitimate gay rights issue.
· Pedophile themes abound in homosexual literary culture: Gay fiction as well as serious academic treatises promote "intergenerational intimacy."

MALE HOMOSEXUALS COMMIT A DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF CHILD SEX ABUSE CASES

Homosexual apologists admit that some homosexuals sexually molest children, but they deny that homosexuals are more likely to commit such offenses. After all, they argue, the majority of child molestation cases are heterosexual in nature. While this is correct in terms of absolute numbers, this argument ignores the fact that homosexuals comprise only a very small percentage of the population.

The evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls. To demonstrate this it is necessary to connect several statistics related to the problem of child sex abuse: 1) men are almost always the perpetrator; 2) up to one-third or more of child sex abuse cases are committed against boys; 3) less than three percent of the population are homosexuals. Thus, a tiny percentage of the population (homosexual men), commit one-third or more of the cases of child sexual molestation.

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=is02e3

In the same article I find this interesting:

PEDOPHILIA IN GAY CULTURE The Historical Connection between Pedophilia and the Gay Rights Movement

David Thorstad is a homosexual activist and historian of the gay rights movement.[48] He is a former president of New York's Gay Activists Alliance (GAA), a prototype activist group founded in December 1969. The GAA at its inception opposed age of consent laws, which prohibited adults from having sex with children.[49] Thorstad is also a pedophile and founding member of the North American Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA).
Thorstad argues that there is a natural and undeniable connection between homosexuality and pedophilia. He expresses bitterness that the gay rights movement has, in his view, abandoned pedophilia. Thorstad writes: "Boy-lovers were involved in the gay movement from the beginning, and their presence was tolerated. Gay youth groups encouraged adults to attend their dances. . . . There was a mood of tolerance, even joy at discovering the myriad of lifestyles within the gay and lesbian subculture."[50]
The inaugural issue of the Gay Community News in 1979 published a "Statement to the Gay Liberation Movement on the Issue of Man/Boy Love," which challenged the movement to return to a vision of sexual liberation. It argued that "the ultimate goal of gay liberation is the achievement of sexual freedom for all--not just equal rights for 'lesbian and gay men,' but also freedom of sexual expression for young people and children."
In the early years there was some reluctance to accept pedophilia, primarily among feminist and lesbian activist groups. In March 1979 the Lesbian Feminist Liberation (LFL) accusing "so-called Man/Boy Lovers" of "attempting to legitimize sex between children and adults. . . . Feminists easily recognize this as the latest attempt to make palatable the sexual exploitation of children." The coalition went on record as opposing "the sexual abuse of children by heterosexual or homosexual persons."[51]
Despite this opposition, Thorstad claims that by 1985 homosexual pedophiles had won acceptance within the gay movement. He cites Jim Kepner, then curator of the International Gay and Lesbian Archives in Los Angeles: "A point I've been trying to make is that if we reject the boylovers in our midst today we'd better stop waving the banner of the Ancient Greeks, of Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, Oscar Wilde, Walt Whitman, Horatio Alger, and Shakespeare. We'd better stop claiming them as part of our heritage unless we are broadening our concept of what it means to be gay today."[52]
In 1985 NAMBLA was admitted as a member in New York's council of Lesbian and Gay Organizations as well as the International Gay Association--now the International Lesbian and Gay Association (ILGA). In the mid-1990's ILGA's association with NAMBLA and other pedophile groups cost the organization it's status as a Non-Governmental Organization in the United Nations.

[Tchocky]

Just a heads-up on how the Family Research Council is likely to present anything to do with homosexuality.

The FRC are hardly an unbiased observer. They are a heavily politicised group with a self-admitted goal of conservative Christian lobbying.

Their VP for Policy believes that homosexuality should be a criminal offence.

MATTHEWS: I'm just asking you, should we outlaw gay behavior?

SPRIGG: I think that the Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas, which overturned the sodomy laws in this country, was wrongly decided. I think there would be a place for criminal sanctions against homosexual behavior.

MATTHEWS: So, we should outlaw gay behavior?

SPRIGG: Yes.

Source - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35224225/

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Just a heads-up on how the Family Research Council is likely to present anything to do with homosexuality.

The FRC are hardly an unbiased observer. They are a heavily politicised group with a self-admitted goal of conservative Christian lobbying.

Their VP for Policy believes that homosexuality should be a criminal offence.

Source - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35224225/

Good point Tchocky. I think it is hard to find any body of folks that are unbiased in any matter. NAMBLA is just plain sick IMO. I do not believe homosexuality is a criminal offense.

[ZeeWolf]

Dear Dr. Judith Reisman, president of the Institute for Media Education

Your not a scum anymore, I changed my mind. please forgive me

Sincerely

ZeeWolf

[ZeeWolf]

Here are numbers that I will incorporate in my data:

The following experts are from here:

http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/06/p...osexual-world/

"Judith Reisman, president of the Institute for Media Education, says that Department of Justice statistics show that 67 percent of all reported sex abuse victims are children and 64 percent of forcible sodomy victims are boys under 12."

And this is really a welcome example of a liberal tooth pulling. From the Hate the truth group Human Rights Campaign and the 2.9%:

"This is especially telling because according to a survey commissioned last year by the pro-homosexual Human Rights Campaign, only 2.9% of the population is homosexual. This means that while only making up a tiny portion of the overall population, the perpetration of male molestation by homosexuals is greater than the much larger general population."

Not there yet,

ZeeWolf

[ZeeWolf]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/20...of-pedophilia/

Thanks man

ZeeWolf