Production ADDON is not feasible;development Silent Hunter 6 is a must

[W_clear]

I think that the production ADDON is not feasible, the development Silent Hunter 6 is a must. Despite SH5 great progress than SH4, but it also exists some very fatal problem:



1. Gameplay is not strong.
SH5 have changed Campaigns tasks, from sinking into a tonnage of ships sunk by a specific target, this did not increase the difficulty of the task, but so that most players feel very annoying and helpless, and not realistic. Simulate the real history of the game must be the actual situation at that time to customize the task.



2.AI too weak
AI is too funny in SH5 , anti-submarine destroyer very low capacity,and not realistic, even if the periscope in the not far away from the destroyer, destroyer still no offensive action. SH3 and SH4 of the destroyers will be shelling periscope, periscope can not long out of the water.
Convoy will collective slow down when submarine attack convoy, Is the Convoy want to collective suicide? If most of the players and specifically to reduce the difficulty, you can increase the difficulty to meet the gap between the various levels of gamers. The real difficulty would be 100% in line real history.



3. The lack of interaction, not enough dramatic action
This is an innovative role-playing game modes into the simulation game modes, it is consistent with most of the players needs. But the task is not interactive in the SH5. Many of the basic movements are not yet worked out, such as: basic inlet valve opens when the action did not dive when the action is not loading torpedoes, torpedo firing, no brake action by firing no more.
Do not see the game captain, in fact, the game has been done captain.

The captain can set a key body has to switch from captain to captain the subjective lens. Many role-playing games are like this control Of. Sailor captain can order more things to do, for example, command substitution lookout sailor, returning into port when the sailors on the deck, and so on.


4 games, lack of vitality and vigor
Did not figure in the base, looking lifeless. Although there are many people in the base. Than SH3 are good, but too restrictive. Whenever the complete the task was returning to base to looks dead, very uncomfortable. Doing more good SH3, there is a sense of realism that allows you to play the game. AI characters on the ship could be more vivid, of course, if they can interact better, it seems impossible. I

Silent Hunter is to emphasize that the sense of reality.




5 waves once again necessary improvements.

SH5 do very well in the environment, the cloud is very successful innovation is no change in the cloud at the top is a defect, SH6 on this issue can be improved to make the sky more realistic.
Great progress in the sea, the stern wave, shore, waves, wave, foam, spray the bow has a huge improvement.But with advances in hardware now, I think SH6 can do more realistic in sea, more realistic. SH5 wave is the biggest flaw is only foam and no splsh.In fact, the foam is a wave spray form, if not spray, there is no bubble.Coast waves must have spray first, then the bubble. This issue is resolved, the sea will increase by 200% realism. Where the 10 m wind climate, wind and water spray should be the formation of fog, so that only realistic, sea water must be realistic game.


6 necessary to adjust the ratio of waves and clouds.
Errors on the ratio of water waves from SH3 to SH5, sea and cloud structure is too large, the proportion of errors. Lead to ship smaller and smaller space. Ship seemed to be toys.

7. Climate need improved

Need to improve rain, snow needs to join the game. The rain looks very realistic now, but there is no effect that spray hit the submarine, this should do it, it already has this effect on other game
A effects make out. Rain and wind have to contact different wind speeds rise to different rain.

8 submarine moving deck splash also need to strengthen

SH5 Although the splash deck has been done, but still the primary, according to the current hardware can do more in reality. Especially in case of 10 m wind climate, more spray, Will be blown into the fog. The feeling is that Silent Hunter very much needed.



9 sound can be divided into more specific

SH5 is compatible with a lot of sound, in fact, not suitable for some sound compatible, should be separated. A few more sound effects will not affect the game speed.
The friend of love submarine game, we can discuss and practical advice, so ready to develop Silent Hunter 6 more specific ideas. I am willing for the development of Silent Hunter 6

Voluntary work.

[Adriatico]

Do you really believe in that fairy tail... Ubi investing even 1$ in SH series ?

Development of combat simulations is extremely long and complex work... inevitably - with bug cleaning patches for a months (years)...

It means financing long project for a years and years... that can not be applied&sold for PS3, Xbox,...etc.

It's hard to admit - but combat sims are disappearing...

[urfisch]

theres nothing to come, if we do not create it on ourself...

[SteelViking]

Originally Posted by W_clear

I think that the production ADDON is not feasible, the development Silent Hunter 6 is a must. Despite SH5 great progress than SH4, but it also exists some very fatal problem:



1. Gameplay is not strong.
SH5 have changed Campaigns tasks, from sinking into a tonnage of ships sunk by a specific target, this did not increase the difficulty of the task, but so that most players feel very annoying and helpless, and not realistic. Simulate the real history of the game must be the actual situation at that time to customize the task.

2.AI too weak
AI is too funny in SH5 , anti-submarine destroyer very low capacity,and not realistic, even if the periscope in the not far away from the destroyer, destroyer still no offensive action. SH3 and SH4 of the destroyers will be shelling periscope, periscope can not long out of the water.
Convoy will collective slow down when submarine attack convoy, Is the Convoy want to collective suicide? If most of the players and specifically to reduce the difficulty, you can increase the difficulty to meet the gap between the various levels of gamers. The real difficulty would be 100% in line real history.

3. The lack of interaction, not enough dramatic action
This is an innovative role-playing game modes into the simulation game modes, it is consistent with most of the players needs. But the task is not interactive in the SH5. Many of the basic movements are not yet worked out, such as: basic inlet valve opens when the action did not dive when the action is not loading torpedoes, torpedo firing, no brake action by firing no more.
Do not see the game captain, in fact, the game has been done captain.

The captain can set a key body has to switch from captain to captain the subjective lens. Many role-playing games are like this control Of. Sailor captain can order more things to do, for example, command substitution lookout sailor, returning into port when the sailors on the deck, and so on.

4 games, lack of vitality and vigor
Did not figure in the base, looking lifeless. Although there are many people in the base. Than SH3 are good, but too restrictive. Whenever the complete the task was returning to base to looks dead, very uncomfortable. Doing more good SH3, there is a sense of realism that allows you to play the game. AI characters on the ship could be more vivid, of course, if they can interact better, it seems impossible. I

Silent Hunter is to emphasize that the sense of reality.

5 waves once again necessary improvements.

SH5 do very well in the environment, the cloud is very successful innovation is no change in the cloud at the top is a defect, SH6 on this issue can be improved to make the sky more realistic.
Great progress in the sea, the stern wave, shore, waves, wave, foam, spray the bow has a huge improvement.But with advances in hardware now, I think SH6 can do more realistic in sea, more realistic. SH5 wave is the biggest flaw is only foam and no splsh.In fact, the foam is a wave spray form, if not spray, there is no bubble.Coast waves must have spray first, then the bubble. This issue is resolved, the sea will increase by 200% realism. Where the 10 m wind climate, wind and water spray should be the formation of fog, so that only realistic, sea water must be realistic game.

6 necessary to adjust the ratio of waves and clouds.
Errors on the ratio of water waves from SH3 to SH5, sea and cloud structure is too large, the proportion of errors. Lead to ship smaller and smaller space. Ship seemed to be toys.

7. Climate need improved

Need to improve rain, snow needs to join the game. The rain looks very realistic now, but there is no effect that spray hit the submarine, this should do it, it already has this effect on other game
A effects make out. Rain and wind have to contact different wind speeds rise to different rain.

8 submarine moving deck splash also need to strengthen

SH5 Although the splash deck has been done, but still the primary, according to the current hardware can do more in reality. Especially in case of 10 m wind climate, more spray, Will be blown into the fog. The feeling is that Silent Hunter very much needed.



9 sound can be divided into more specific

SH5 is compatible with a lot of sound, in fact, not suitable for some sound compatible, should be separated. A few more sound effects will not affect the game speed.
The friend of love submarine game, we can discuss and practical advice, so ready to develop Silent Hunter 6 more specific ideas. I am willing for the development of Silent Hunter 6

Voluntary work.

Some responses:

1. Zedi's "Das Campaign" will completely redo the campaign, making it much more realistic mission wise and tonnage wise. Might want to read up on the project.

2. With the current version if IRAI I strongly doubt you will see any of that behavior. Also, TDW is working on a massively updated version right now.

3. This cannot really be addressed, I know the controller files that would do this kind of stuff, and we simply cannot make that happen. However, what submarine captain walks around and does valve turning himself?

4. Once again, Das Campaign is going to fix that. I have worked with Zedi to make low computer resource usage ships so that harbors can be populated and way more full of life than before.

8. That can be done pretty easily. Anyone with basic knowledge of Goblin can strengthen the bow and stern waves of the submarine, and make them be influenced by ambient wind. Do I have time to do it? No. But, like I said, anyone could take this project on.

9. I am not completely sure what you are saying here. But, it is really easy to add sounds and sound sources in SH5. Once again someone with a very basic understanding of Goblin can do it.

[Obelix]

W_Clear probably had in mind an entirely new game. No error correction of SH5 and completely new code.
But as has been repeatedly pointed out - it remains a dream. All that's left - this is a great designer and our knowledge and the desire to improve the game.
I'm just trying to find the sound of motors controls the submarine to return the sound, as it was in the SH3 (not control the volume and speed of the sound of diesel engines and electric motors). It seems like management is engaged SHSound.act, SH5.exe come only from the team.

[tonschk]

Thank you W_clear your Real Environmental mod ver.2 for SH5 is Amazing

[KING111]

they are not even going to make the new ghost recon
for the PC its going to be Xbox 360 and Ps3 only
so i think a new SH is a no GO

[W_clear]

Originally Posted by SteelViking

Some responses:

1. Zedi's "Das Campaign" will completely redo the campaign, making it much more realistic mission wise and tonnage wise. Might want to read up on the project.

2. With the current version if IRAI I strongly doubt you will see any of that behavior. Also, TDW is working on a massively updated version right now.

3. This cannot really be addressed, I know the controller files that would do this kind of stuff, and we simply cannot make that happen. However, what submarine captain walks around and does valve turning himself?

4. Once again, Das Campaign is going to fix that. I have worked with Zedi to make low computer resource usage ships so that harbors can be populated and way more full of life than before.

8. That can be done pretty easily. Anyone with basic knowledge of Goblin can strengthen the bow and stern waves of the submarine, and make them be influenced by ambient wind. Do I have time to do it? No. But, like I said, anyone could take this project on.

9. I am not completely sure what you are saying here. But, it is really easy to add sounds and sound sources in SH5. Once again someone with a very basic understanding of Goblin can do it.

1.I have changed the Campaigns from ships sunk by a specific target to sinking into a tonnage

2.I test IRAI for lang time;My AI MOD more strong than IRAI;just AI destroyers still not be shelling periscope and can't avoid the torpedoes; I simply cannot make that happen.Look forward to TDW updated version;

3.So I hope that the development SH6;

4.Important is the need for character in the base;

8.expectancy;But the main improvement is 5;

9.I see;

Because of my poor English, the expression may not be real clear;I have many thoughts can not express in English;This is my most distressing aspects ;Thanks;

[SteelViking]

Originally Posted by W_clear

1.I have changed the Campaigns from ships sunk by a specific target to sinking into a tonnage

2.I test IRAI for lang time;My AI MOD more strong than IRAI;just AI destroyers still not be shelling periscope and can't avoid the torpedoes; I simply cannot make that happen.Look forward to TDW updated version;

3.So I hope that the development SH6;

4.Important is the need for character in the base;

8.expectancy;But the main improvement is 5;

9.I see;

Because of my poor English, the expression may not be real clear;I have many thoughts can not express in English;This is my most distressing aspects ;Thanks;

I can understand the language barrier. Sorry if I am not understanding something you are trying to say.

Cheers

Sry, for my english, but what i absolutely don't understand, that is why SH5 have a issues that SH3 have not. Well, i know why it can be - seems on that game worked another people than on SH3, Ubisoft made the game that better by graphics, have some important and looking cool things, like reworked boat interior and possibilities of crew, thats like enough that they can promote their game and enough that people, who played SH long and know game good and like realism, like this game as a real simulator, was touched and have attention on SH5. All for money... But those people (SH fans) just broke their heads and lost time, playing the game (SH5), becouse the game is sh..t, but still have some important things that SH3 have not. It is absolutelly brutal related to fans of SH. And it is deceit for those, who started play SH from 5. I know many games, like Pro Evolution Soccer for example, where, in independence of workgroup change, the game dont lose its advantages, but change and came better with every new version. Even if something important change, all the work that did make a game just better, in general. More clear, if you sell the game with trade mark SH, than it must be SH. Can you say that, in the light of SH3, SH5 is SH? SH5 is absoltely sloven workmanship. Im not a programmer and not a modder, but is it so hard to save all old advantages, and add all this new advantages, even if you have not time or money for more good work? Keep an AI (though even in SH3 AI need some simple and important changes, that could be in SH5), keep a realism of campaign and add some advantages if you know what, use the work that already was done. They even don't keep attention on that is SH is the simulator. In SH3, if you dont wanna play a realistic game, and wanna easy play the more arcadish way, just relax with the game and have fun, you could just set options for your taste and still have fun with the game, why Ubi was needed to destroy the game for that? I dont know, but i think those guys have to seriously think about their work and make a good game in cooperation of SH community if they at least a little care for they work and trade mark, or they can lost much of their fans (and money), if they already didnt lost. Though, may be, of course, thay made the game, got their money and dont care... But its a total sh..t.

[raymond6751]

There was a mod being worked on that was the Strategic Layer, linked to SH3 when action / contact is made. You play as Donitz and control uboat sailings, maneuver, building, production quotas, and so on.

I cannot remember who was working on it,but he stopped with a lot of work already done.

If he could get some help to finish it, and link instead to SH 5, we have a brand new life for the game.

I think the project was called Sea Wolves, or something like that. He needed graphic and programming help but what he had done was impressive.

[Rickster1]

Subwolves

[Targor Avelany]

Originally Posted by Sokolov

Sry, for my english, but what i absolutely don't understand, that is why SH5 have a issues that SH3 have not. Well, i know why it can be - seems on that game worked another people than on SH3, Ubisoft made the game that better by graphics, have some important and looking cool things, like reworked boat interior and possibilities of crew, thats like enough that they can promote their game and enough that people, who played SH long and know game good and like realism, like this game as a real simulator, was touched and have attention on SH5. All for money... But those people (SH fans) just broke their heads and lost time, playing the game (SH5), becouse the game is sh..t, but still have some important things that SH3 have not. It is absolutelly brutal related to fans of SH. And it is deceit for those, who started play SH from 5. I know many games, like Pro Evolution Soccer for example, where, in independence of workgroup change, the game dont lose its advantages, but change and came better with every new version. Even if something important change, all the work that did make a game just better, in general. More clear, if you sell the game with trade mark SH, than it must be SH. Can you say that, in the light of SH3, SH5 is SH? SH5 is absoltely sloven workmanship. Im not a programmer and not a modder, but is it so hard to save all old advantages, and add all this new advantages, even if you have not time or money for more good work? Keep an AI (though even in SH3 AI need some simple and important changes, that could be in SH5), keep a realism of campaign and add some advantages if you know what, use the work that already was done. They even don't keep attention on that is SH is the simulator. In SH3, if you dont wanna play a realistic game, and wanna easy play the more arcadish way, just relax with the game and have fun, you could just set options for your taste and still have fun with the game, why Ubi was needed to destroy the game for that? I dont know, but i think those guys have to seriously think about their work and make a good game in cooperation of SH community if they at least a little care for they work and trade mark, or they can lost much of their fans (and money), if they already didnt lost. Though, may be, of course, thay made the game, got their money and dont care... But its a total sh..t.

Ouch, my eyes hurt!!!

I understand that you would like to stand your opinion, but I believe the topic is on actual campaign and not the game itself.

Opinion? I'm not smoking anything, exclude just a cigarettes

[Hartmann]

Originally Posted by Adriatico

Do you really believe in that fairy tail... Ubi investing even 1$ in SH series ?

Development of combat simulations is extremely long and complex work... inevitably - with bug cleaning patches for a months (years)...

It means financing long project for a years and years... that can not be applied&sold for PS3, Xbox,...etc.

It's hard to admit - but combat sims are disappearing...

Naval sims yes, but not Flight combat sims, or civilian simulators, there are a lot of interest yet in this type of simulators.