Adm. Woodward: Falklands undefendable

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Its four Typhoons now, not Tornadoes.

This article is dated Sept 09 but would support you:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...s-mission.html

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Its four Typhoons now, not Tornadoes.

Originally Posted by jimbuna

This article is dated Sept 09 but would support you:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...s-mission.html

Hey if TLAM gives any facts and figure I take it as gospel, spelling aside.

[Jimbuna]

The Phantoms that replaced the Harriers were affectionally known as Faith, Hope and Charity.

1435 Flight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._1435_Flight_RAF

[Oberon]

Nice little link with another island war there Jim, I like it.

To be fair though, the US didn't vck us over in the Falklands war, in fact they were giving us intel throughout it all IIRC as well as letting us use the Ascension Island base (we own the island but they run the airbase) and Sidewinder missile restocks. They had to stay neutral though for obvious reasons, it's a political mess and the US doesn't want to tie itself to that. I don't blame them, after all we didn't send forces to aid in the Bay of Pigs incident or the Panama crisis.

Heck, we had support from a lot of nations, France gave us Mirages and Etendards to train against and the details of their Exocet missiles, Chile gave us intel support (presumably because they knew that a strong Argentina was a threat to them), and New Zealand took over some of our deployment roles in the Indian Ocean to free up warships to send to the Falklands.

So, we may have fought militarily quite alone, we had the support of a few nations which helped things along in the background.

[nikimcbee]

So have any of you "UKers" been to the Falklands?

[Marcantilan]

Well, even that most Argentinians (including myself) believe that Argentina has right over the islands, I do not think anyone in here will support a military action.

Woodward´s just lobbying for the Royal Navy.

And, in any case, Argentina military is not in a position to invade the islands (for example, lack of Landing Ships, lack of any modern fighter, so on, so on, so on, so on, so on and so on)

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Wow, cannot disagree more. So wrong on every level. Just because allies support each other, does not mean one is leading the other by the nose

Whatever is truth is not important. What is really important is what it looks like.

If UK was just "supporting ally" then it looked heck much like dog doing whatever Master says to do. *woof, woof!*

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Marcantilan

Well, even that most Argentinians (including myself) believe that Argentina has right over the islands, I do not think anyone in here will support a military action.

Woodward´s just lobbying for the Royal Navy.

And, in any case, Argentina military is not in a position to invade the islands (for example, lack of Landing Ships, lack of any modern fighter, so on, so on, so on, so on, so on and so on)

A bit like Gibraltar too, most if not all Spaniards want it back but they wouldn't invade it. One day we probably will have another referendum on the Falklands, but not anytime soon I'd wager, particularly if there is a lot of oil under there.

[Gerald]

Belgrano!

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

Whatever is truth is not important. What is really important is what it looks like.

If UK was just "supporting ally" then it looked heck much like dog doing whatever Master says to do. *woof, woof!*

And what it "looks like" is laregly based on the bias of the "looker". It may have looked like that to those who are eager to cast dispersion on the UK, but not to all. I guess when the tire repair truck shows up on the freeway to assist a motorist, it "looks like" he is subordinate to the motorist.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by Marcantilan

Well, even that most Argentinians (including myself) believe that Argentina has right over the islands, I do not think anyone in here will support a military action.

Woodward´s just lobbying for the Royal Navy.

And, in any case, Argentina military is not in a position to invade the islands (for example, lack of Landing Ships, lack of any modern fighter, so on, so on, so on, so on, so on and so on)

How's the translation of your ASW book going?

[Gerald]

The South American partner organization UNASUR have unanimously Argentine support for its position and to find a peaceful solution to the conflict. The archipelago has been designated as the United Nations list of Non-Self-Governing and processed by the United Nations Special Committee on decolonization to establish a definitive solution. In February 2010, agreed by 33 countries at the summit of Latin American and Caribbean states to support "Argentina's legitimate right" to the islands and condemn the ongoing oil exploration. Argentina subsequently asked, in February 2010, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon to call the UK to call for control of the Falkland Islands and help stop the "continuing unilateral acts" from the British side. In June 2010 there was the question again in the UN committee on decolonization. Argentina's delegation included on this occasion also the islanders and the families of those who supported Argentina's policy in this regard. The Committee called on both parties (Argentina and Britain) to resume bilateral negotiations on the islands' final status.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

And what it "looks like" is laregly based on the bias of the "looker".

I agree with you on this (except that I would not use world "largely"). However I have to point out that this applies to your point of view aswell.

It may have looked like that to those who are eager to cast dispersion on the UK, but not to all.

Who are those "eager to cast dispersion on UK" and what you mean with that?

I guess when the tire repair truck shows up on the freeway to assist a motorist, it "looks like" he is subordinate to the motorist.

Not in my opinion but I understand what you mean with this.

[nikimcbee]

Sheep? New Wales?

[Oberon]

Well, there are more sheep than people on the Falklands I believe...