Religion thread #58,934

[August]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

For the billionth time: no, it isn't. Is having no belief in leprechauns a religion? How about unicorns? How about a lack of belief in a celestial teapot?

Maybe it isn't a religion per se but it is just as intolerant as the worst of them. Ever see anyone here say that leprechauns make them puke? How about unicorns or even your celestial teapot?

[MH]

The main difference between religion and atheism is that religion dismisses certain facts about life by its ideology while in atheism its by choice.
Well...the choices may vary from country to country but i'm talking about ideal situations for both.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by MH

The main difference between religion and atheism is that religion dismisses certain facts about life by its ideology while in atheism its by choice.
Well...the choices may vary from country to country but i'm talking about ideal situations for both.

People choose to believe in an ideology that dismisses facts while Atheism is the dismissal of items that lack proof.

[August]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

People choose to believe in an ideology that dismisses facts while Atheism is the dismissal of items that lack proof.

The way I see it simple belief in a supreme being does not dismiss any facts and atheists are usually too wrapped up in their hatred of believers to see anything beyond the red haze over their eyes.

[Skybird]

It's not fair that you guys start playing without me!

On the matter, this thread's topic is religion, and I'm against it.

Any questions?

[MH]

Originally Posted by August

The way I see it simple belief in a supreme being does not dismiss any facts and atheists are usually too wrapped up in their hatred of believers to see anything beyond the red haze over their eyes.

Why should an atheist hate you for simple belief in supreme being?
Don't think so.....

[MH]

[QUOTE=Skybird;1663107]
On the matter, this thread's topic is religion, and I'm against it.
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Then prepare to die SINNER...

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by August

The way I see it simple belief in a supreme being does not dismiss any facts and atheists are usually too wrapped up in their hatred of believers to see anything beyond the red haze over their eyes.

We don't hate believers, we might dislike some of them, you know, the loud
ones who's only response in any kind of discussion is "The books says so, end of".

And it works both ways, many believers dislike atheists, because we are contradicting
what "the book" says (with, you know, those little things called proven facts ).


And as we all know, these threads go on and on in circle, so I'll just move to the sidelines with some popcorn now.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by August

The way I see it simple belief in a supreme being does not dismiss any facts and atheists are usually too wrapped up in their hatred of believers to see anything beyond the red haze over their eyes.

We do not "hate" you. Truth is we do not even care for the music you play at home. Keep the volume such that we or others must not listen three floors down on the street what you are playing, and do not make public offices, schools and the public space playing your tunes, and you will not even realise that we also are living in your neighbourhood.

As long as we must not realise by the loudness of your music that you are around the neighbourhood, too, that is.

Keep those music boxes quiet, don't annoy the neighbours with noise. That's all.

[August]

Originally Posted by MH

Why should an atheist hate you for simple belief in supreme being?
Don't think so.....

If you're right then why the constant stream of invective? Can atheists not declare their atheism without insulting religion?

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Any questions?

I have a question:

Did you know that Slyco saved me over 50% on my car insurance?
And I don't even own a car! How cool is that?
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Waitaminnit... (car insurance + no car = ???)
Should I get life insurance, too?

[razark]

Originally Posted by August

If you're right then why the constant stream of invective? Can atheists not declare their atheism without insulting religion?

A lot of atheists are reacting to what they've personally experienced.

I have personally had people tell me that I can't be trusted, or that I'm evil, or that I'm not worthy of being an American because I'm an atheist. When I first met my wife's family on her father's side (who she hadn't seen in 20 years or so), they asked her if I beat her, simply because I'm an atheist.

I had a boss at one of my previous jobs that flat out told me that he'd be keeping an eye on me, since I was new and "don't have God in your life", and he was quite clear that he looked down on another employee that was also an atheist.


Many of us don't care that you believe, or what you believe. We only wish to be let alone, to live our lives without the baggage that comes with not being like the majority. A lot of us have had to put up with being pushed around because we have different beliefs. Some have decided that they have come to the point where they're ready to start pushing back. When someone stands up and says "Stop", they get labeled as a militant atheist.

But what it really comes down to for a vast majority is: let us be, and we'll let you be.

[MH]

Originally Posted by August

If you're right then why the constant stream of invective? Can atheists not declare their atheism without insulting religion?

Not insulting religion in sort of hard i think.
Anything that contradict or criticizes religious view can be seen as an insult or contradiction to xyz teachings.



With muslims you can see it taken to extreme......islam is a good magnifying lab.
Not saying that islam is the same as christianity.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by razark

But what it really comes down to for a vast majority is: let us be, and we'll let you be.

Which most rational religious folk will do (or "should do") without even thinking about it. "To each his own" has always been my understanding.

[Bakkels]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

The problem, the real core of the problem, is this weird thing about people. If they're a fan of something, they want to share their fandom. Or if their into something, then its the best thing to be into, because their into it.

Atheism vindictivness I think is borne from religious ramrodding. The problem is, they're not punching back at an equivalent level of the original punch, so to speak. So they end up being louder then the ------- who got them pissed off to begin with.

In the end, when it comes to religion, no matter what ones stance is on it, I think this is the best thought to adapt:

Whatever your stance is on religion, its a lot like a lift in your shoes. If it makes you feel better, fine. Just don't ask anyone to wear your shoes.

edit: If people would just keep their ---- to themselves, the world would be a much nicer place.

Wait, what's this... I agree with Ducimus? Well I guess I do!
Seriously though, I think your last sentence nails it.
I don't believe in (a) God, but I also can't say I'm an atheist; I can't prove he doesn't exist, so I can't be sure.
But I gotta agree with what some people already said here; some Atheists can be just as aggressive in bringing their point across.
Like Ducimus said, people need to keep their beliefs for themselves. The only time I feel the need to argue about religion is when it interferes with politics. Aside from that, I say live and let live.