Simple SH3 Commander question

[panthercules]

OK - finally got some time to mess with this stuff and got RUB 1.45 loaded up and then installed SH3 Commander 2.3.

Fired up SH3 Commander, picked my latest career, created a personnel file for my Kaleun (very cool ), set up my SH3 options (also very cool ) and then launched SH3. Loaded up the in base/after last patrol saved game, re-issued the medals and stuff, and set out on my next patrol.

So far, so good - too early to tell much, but everything seems to be working and things are looking good - did have some problems with my first couple of salvos (user error - forgot to open doors on my second salvo that I tried to squeeze off in a hurry after the first one missed for some unknown reason - and of course, missed just astern) in heavy seas (15m/s winds, and waves set to 1.25 multiplier - also very cool ) but finally did manage to sink the Norwegian C2 I found in my assigned patrol grid off the coast of Norway (early May 1940), after which I plan to head down toward France 'cause scuttlebutt has it that the Sitzkrieg down there is about to get real in a few days

Now for the question - it got real late and I had to quit and save mid patrol. Next time, am I supposed to launch SH3 using SH3 Commander, or are you supposed to only launch the game via SH3 Commander when you are starting a new patrol? If you use SH3 Commander to launch the game even mid patrol, is there any time now that I would ever launch the game using the normal SH3 icon instead of using Sh3 Commander, or do you just always use SH3 Commander to launch the game from this point on?

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but something I read in one of the other threads (I couldn't find it again though) got me confused about this point.

Thanks to all the incredible modders who have put so much time and effort into these great mods - can't wait to really put them through their paces when I get some more time to play.

Good luck, and good hunting!

[JScones]

You can launch SH3 via SH3Cmdr every time.

[joea]

What if your game crahes and you ahve to restart in port (erase the subsequent saves will it still work)?

[JScones]

You can launch SH3 via SH3Cmdr every time.



In your case SH3Cmdr will still (correctly) report the career as "At sea during patrol", but once you load SH3 you can quite happily resume from your last in-port save. The worst thing that *may* occur is that you will get news reports for the current month instead of the previous month. But this is nothing to be concerned about and is the exception rather than the norm in these circumstances.

[panthercules]

OK - another quick question or 2:

1. How/when do you get to see "real" ship names for the ships you sink? Do you have to wait till you're back in port and the patrol is over? I selected the option to use real names in the SH3 Commander options section, but I just loaded my game back up and the C2 I sank last night is just listed as a C2 in my log book (that you get during patrol using the "k" key).

2. Does SH3 Commander contain the ability to make your own free-form log book entries like SH3 Companion was supposed to have? I thought I read that this was going to be incorporated into SH3 Commander, but I didn't see it anywhere so far. That was a great feature of IL-2 Stab, and I'd love to see it for SH3, but I couldn't use the Companion thing because it didn't support German language play and also required some beta version of the .NET framework that screwed up my Shoot voice command set up.

Thanks again for all the great mod work

Good luck and good hunting!

[JScones]

Originally Posted by panthercules

1. How/when do you get to see "real" ship names for the ships you sink? Do you have to wait till you're back in port and the patrol is over? I selected the option to use real names in the SH3 Commander options section, but I just loaded my game back up and the C2 I sank last night is just listed as a C2 in my log book (that you get during patrol using the "k" key).

SH3 isn't flexible enough to record different ship names during a patrol, so the standard names will always be recorded.

However, when you next create a Personnel File for the selected Commander, the names are updated. Then the new names will always appear both in SH3 and in SH3Cmdr. So the best way to go is to always create a Personnel File after each patrol.

Originally Posted by panthercules

2. Does SH3 Commander contain the ability to make your own free-form log book entries like SH3 Companion was supposed to have? I thought I read that this was going to be incorporated into SH3 Commander, but I didn't see it anywhere so far. That was a great feature of IL-2 Stab, and I'd love to see it for SH3, but I couldn't use the Companion thing because it didn't support German language play and also required some beta version of the .NET framework that screwed up my Shoot voice command set up.

There's an alternative solution that Beery and I are pursuing which will provide much more detailed log files. It's slated for the next release. It will avoid the need to ALT-Tab in and out of SH3.

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by JScones

There's an alternative solution that Beery and I are pursuing which will provide much more detailed log files. It's slated for the next release. It will avoid the need to ALT-Tab in and out of SH3.

That sounds enticing. I've always facied the idea of a log book which I can update while playing the game. I decided to use a paper and pencil book but that got tedious. It is especially cool because during the tedious hours that the boat is driving around the empty seas kaleuns could be creative and detailed. I hope this is what you're getting at.

Also, another request. In the latest versin of SH3 Commander I like the new html records but I'd like a more printer friendly option in addition. THanks

[JScones]

For the main Personnel File and Crew List pages, change the page orientation to Landscape - they're set up to print better that way. The rest will print fine on Portrait.

[panthercules]

Originally Posted by JScones

So the best way to go is to always create a Personnel File after each patrol..

Ok - that's good to know - I'm still mid-patrol, but I'll do that as soon as this one ends - this probably answers another one of my questions - I could never find any way to just go check/read my Kaleun's Personnel File - just the button to generate a new one, and I wasn't sure if generating new ones every time was really what you were supposed to do or if it would screw something up - I take it from your response that if you ever want to read your Kaleun's file you just hit the "create" button and get a new one?

Originally Posted by JScones

There's an alternative solution that Beery and I are pursuing which will provide much more detailed log files. It's slated for the next release. It will avoid the need to ALT-Tab in and out of SH3.

Awesome !! Please make it work for German language players if you can (even if this part had to be in English, at long as it is compatible and works with playing the game in German that would still be a big step forward)

Thanks for the response and all your hard work - now I've got to go try to finish this patrol so I can see which ships I've sunk

Good luck and good hunting!

[JScones]

Originally Posted by panthercules

I could never find any way to just go check/read my Kaleun's Personnel File - just the button to generate a new one, and I wasn't sure if generating new ones every time was really what you were supposed to do or if it would screw something up - I take it from your response that if you ever want to read your Kaleun's file you just hit the "create" button and get a new one?

All Personnel Files are saved under your ..\SH3 Commander\Personnel Files\ folder. Re-generate whenever you want to update one.

Originally Posted by panthercules

Please make it work for German language players if you can (even if this part had to be in English, at long as it is compatible and works with playing the game in German that would still be a big step forward)

And French...

[panthercules]

Very cool - just went to look at my Kaleun's personnel file in the folder you mentioned - I tried clicking on the individual patrol links for the first time, and lo and behold, there are "real" names for all the ships I had sunk in my previous patrols I thought that might not kick in until I finished this first patrol using SH3 Commander.

Just one question - I think I've seen a discussion about this before, but I can't remember it and can't find it again - anyway, it had to do with issues about the nationality of the ships and names. I noticed that the one warship I have sunk (a British Fiji-class light cruiser) was designated as "HMS", but all the merchants I sank (combination of British and Norwegian) were designated as "S.S." something. Is there a significance to the "S.S." prefix? I always thought that was limited to designating U.S. merchants. I assume that there should really be different prefixes for the different countries' merchants. Or is "S.S." some sort of standard German designation for merchant? (can't think of what it would stand for if that's the case)

Can SH3 Commander not distinguish between the countries of origin? If not, can this be modified in some way to just dispense with the "S.S." prefix and use only the name of the ship? It's somewhat jarring to see all these U.S.-looking ships sunk during my 1939-1940 patrols. Small point, but if it's a reasonably simple fix/change it would really add to my immersion factor.

Thanks again for all the great work

Good luck and good hunting!

[Ula Jolly]

SH3Cmdr differs between countries. There's HMS blablabla for a British warship, and USS blablabluh for an American one.
The designation "S.S" is standard in SH3Cmdr, but not correct. In Norwegian, there are the following designations:
D/S = steam ship
D/T = steam tanker
M/S = motor vessel
M/T = motor tanker
T/T = turbine tanker

[panthercules]

OK - I'd be willing to do some research/work to try to make these names line up better with the respective countries of origin of the sunk ships, but I have no clue how SH3 or SH3 Commander works in regard to putting these names in these logs. Depending on how this process works in the game/SH3 Commander, I think it would be cool to be able to group the actual names by time periods so that (for example) during any given year of your career the game would pick from the list of names of ships that were actually sunk during that time frame IRL (sounds like probably more trouble than it would be worth, but might be fun to try to make it work that way).

What are the chances of tweaking this a bit so that country-appropriate prefixes and/or names are used based on the nationality of the ship was sunk (or of just suppressing the "S.S." prefix and just using the name alone, if that's the best that can be done)?

Good luck and good hunting!

[JScones]

The problem is that SH3 does not store nationality details with sunk ships. If you sink a Norwegian C3, it stores "C3 Cargo", a UK C3, "C3 Cargo", an American C3 "C3 Cargo" etc.

Hence, SH3Cmdr has no way of knowing either. It's OK for the warships that weren't shared, but not for those that were (ie Flower and Clemson DD) or indeed for any merchant ship or tanker sunk.

This has come up once before, with the tentative solution being perhaps that some of the more nationality specific ship names are removed from the ship names list. But this won't address the "S.S." aspect.

I'm open to suggestions. :hmm:

[panthercules]

Originally Posted by JScones

The problem is that SH3 does not store nationality details with sunk ships. If you sink a Norwegian C3, it stores "C3 Cargo", a UK C3, "C3 Cargo", an American C3 "C3 Cargo" etc.

Hence, SH3Cmdr has no way of knowing either. It's OK for the warships that weren't shared, but not for those that were (ie Flower and Clemson DD) or indeed for any merchant ship or tanker sunk.

This has come up once before, with the tentative solution being perhaps that some of the more nationality specific ship names are removed from the ship names list. But this won't address the "S.S." aspect.

I'm open to suggestions. :hmm:

Hmmm - that's too bad about SH3 not keeping track of the countries for the ship sinkings. Is there any way to make the names in the log/personnel file editable later on? Once we have the ability to make our own entries into our logs during the game (assuming you mod geniuses get it working, per the above posts), I figured that ship nationality would definitely be one of the things I would be writing down in my log entries whenever I had been able to determine it during the attack - and if so then I would be able to go back later and add the nationality to the corresponding ship names 'cause I would in essence be tracking them manually already in my log entries.

At any rate, where does the "S.S." come from? Is it hardcoded into some game function, or was it just included with all the ship names in whatever text or .cfg file or whatever file stores those names? I wouldn't mind going through and editing out stuff if that's all it takes.

Thanks again for all the great work.

Good luck and good hunting!