U.N. Workers Killed by Afghan Mob - Page 3

04-03-11, 05:10 PM

Someone burns a Book.
That gives others a right to Murder?
I don't follow the logic.

A book is nothing more then a gathering of paper.
And not all the books were burned so nothing was lost.

I say anyone that was involved in this Murderfest should be stripped of any Human rights and shot on sight.

Now if they had killed the people involved in the burning?
Then they could have a chance in 'My Court of Law'.

As much as I hate anyone burning or banning any book?
I see this action (The Murders) as a call for an extermination of those involved.
And anyone so like minded.

Buddahaid · 04-03-11, 07:40 PM

Not my point. My point is when you know your action will stir up violence and killings, whether it's sensible or not, you assume some responsibility for the result.

Platapus · 04-03-11, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by privateer

A book is nothing more then a gathering of paper.
And not all the books were burned so nothing was lost.

Would you feel the same if people burned the American Flag?

I agree with you that murder is not acceptable nor logical in this case. The people who did this are criminals and need to be treated as such.

Penguin · 04-04-11, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

Might be funny to burn a bible on YouTube and see how many Christian riots ensue.

If we call it "art" YouTube won't even delete it I bet.

Voilà:
From a tv documentation from 2007 about christian fundamentalists in Germany. It ran on the biggest tv channel here: the vid description calls the docu controversial - I never heard of it before - and didn't hear of any riots it caused...

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Not my point. My point is when you know your action will stir up violence and killings, whether it's sensible or not, you assume some responsibility for the result.

You are leaving one important aspect out: the free will and self-determination of the people themselves. It's their own decision to go monkey crap or ignore what some religious nuts do several thousand kilometers away...

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Would you feel the same if people burned the American Flag?

Not a bad point, as the intense feelings that people have for each thing are comparable - note: not comparing for what each of it stands for.
However most Americans have seen dozens of flag burnings in the news, yet I have seen not too many storming the embassies of the countries where the burning happened, or the UNHQ in NY...

A rational man should say: "So what? You can burn a thing, but no ideas."

Factor · 04-04-11, 08:11 PM

All this over some redneck in Florida....

Platapus · 04-04-11, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Ok, this guy has had enough chances. We've probably gotten 50 BPR over the year he's been here, and he's been brigged several times.

To be sure, this loser will return with a new alias. You can spot him, he will be the brand new member who shows up in GT with troll opinions fully formed. Let us know, we can nuke him from orbit with a single click.

Good decision. As a member of this forum, I appreciate this. This guy clearly had no intention of playing nicely. He has had more "last chances" than Lindsay Lohan

Kazuaki Shimazaki II · 04-04-11, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Well having looked at your link I hope it's the entire iceberg and simply a 'one off'.

Quite frankly, the correct way to deal with this is to hand over the entire platoon (including commanding officer) to the Taliban. Of course, the Taliban would execute them and piss on their remains. The video of this should be shown publicly to make it clear that the US Army will throw you to the wolves for grossly immoral acts.

This would provide a nice existentialist reason for other troops not to make the same mistake, and would be a nice propaganda exercise for the locals to show that the US Army is not in the business of protecting its own.

Jimbuna · 04-05-11, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II

Quite frankly, the correct way to deal with this is to hand over the entire platoon (including commanding officer) to the Taliban. Of course, the Taliban would execute them and piss on their remains. The video of this should be shown publicly to make it clear that the US Army will throw you to the wolves for grossly immoral acts.

This would provide a nice existentialist reason for other troops not to make the same mistake, and would be a nice propaganda exercise for the locals to show that the US Army is not in the business of protecting its own.

Somehow I just can't/don't see this happening

Bit of an extreme measure as well IMHO.

tater · 04-05-11, 01:22 PM

The asshat preacher in FL is not even culpable in these crimes.

He's an idiot, but it doesn't matter. The bad guys are the ones doing the violence, period.

If someone burned a flag at a university here (I've seen that myself), and someone murdered people over it, would anyone blame the people burning the flag for the murder? When the cross in a jar of piss art was displayed, would anyone blame the artist if Catholics somewhere on earth murdered over it? Petraeus was wrong, too in his statement. Anyone is perfectly fine to say it was a crappy thing to do if they like, but burning a book is not an acceptable excuse for murder or even assault, sorry.

That everyone expects Muslims to murder over crap like this tells a lot about Muslims, not someone torching a koran. Idiots.

Note that I don't even think burning a book is "fighting words" if they burn it right in front of you. Meet expression with expression. Muslims burn US flags all the time, the only reaction it's ever really gotten from me was laughing that one incident where the guy lit himself on fire.

Jimbuna · 04-06-11, 04:58 AM

^ Well said.

Buddahaid · 04-06-11, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Penguin

You are leaving one important aspect out: the free will and self-determination of the people themselves. It's their own decision to go monkey crap or ignore what some religious nuts do several thousand kilometers away...

I don't think they have the same rights the west enjoys and takes for granted. Many do not have free will and the ability for self determination as the state and religion are so intermixed, also many are the uneducated poor. Still your point is valid. However, it is also like saying if you bully someone who has suicidal tendencies and they kill themselves, it's not your fault because the have free will and self determination not to do so.

TLAM Strike · 04-06-11, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by em2nought

They need to play Muslims and Army Air Force, just like the Japs needed to long ago.

Oh the same Jap-a-nazis who after 300,000 were incinerated and 135,000 were vaporized still wanted to fight to the death until their Man-God said stop? Those Japs?

I've had this discussion with my friends before, if you stick a gun in the face of a true fanatic he will say shoot.

04-06-11, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Would you feel the same if people burned the American Flag?

I could not give a crap less when the American Flag is burned.
It's a piece of cloth that is being burned after all.
You can't destroy a country by burning thier flag.
(Much as many wish they could)

Now IF ALL the Korans in the World were being burned?
I could see, and would say, they had a right to violence.

But I'd place money on the fact that the Koran is being printed faster then they can be burned!

I know for a fact the Gideons push Bibles faster then you can burn them!

TLAM Strike · 04-06-11, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by privateer

But I'd place money on the fact that the Koran is being printed faster then they can be burned!

I know for a fact the Gideons push Bibles faster then you can burn them!

That just means we need to increase our book burning capabilities...

We must hire more fireman...

Freiwillige · 04-06-11, 10:01 PM

Yea I saw our General Punkedtreas cow towing. I mean the guys in the military may not think it was right, but they do know he has the right and that's why their in the military in the first place is to defend that right.

So I say light em if ya got em, Bibles, Koran's, Tora's or speeding tickets its irrelivant. Freedom is lost when you give up your right's so as to not offend.

I would rather be offensive and free then a slave to PC<---New slogan copyright Freiwillige inc. 2011

I think the guy's an idiot but I respect him for standing by his principles.

04-03-11, 07:40 PM	#32
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,321 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Not my point. My point is when you know your action will stir up violence and killings, whether it's sensible or not, you assume some responsibility for the result. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

04-05-11, 01:22 PM	#39
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The asshat preacher in FL is not even culpable in these crimes. He's an idiot, but it doesn't matter. The bad guys are the ones doing the violence, period. If someone burned a flag at a university here (I've seen that myself), and someone murdered people over it, would anyone blame the people burning the flag for the murder? When the cross in a jar of piss art was displayed, would anyone blame the artist if Catholics somewhere on earth murdered over it? Petraeus was wrong, too in his statement. Anyone is perfectly fine to say it was a crappy thing to do if they like, but burning a book is not an acceptable excuse for murder or even assault, sorry. That everyone expects Muslims to murder over crap like this tells a lot about Muslims, not someone torching a koran. Idiots. Note that I don't even think burning a book is "fighting words" if they burn it right in front of you. Meet expression with expression. Muslims burn US flags all the time, the only reaction it's ever really gotten from me was laughing that one incident where the guy lit himself on fire. __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

04-06-11, 04:58 AM	#40
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,552 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	^ Well said. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-03-11, 05:10 PM	#31
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Someone burns a Book. That gives others a right to Murder? I don't follow the logic. A book is nothing more then a gathering of paper. And not all the books were burned so nothing was lost. I say anyone that was involved in this Murderfest should be stripped of any Human rights and shot on sight. Now if they had killed the people involved in the burning? Then they could have a chance in 'My Court of Law'. As much as I hate anyone burning or banning any book? I see this action (The Murders) as a call for an extermination of those involved. And anyone so like minded.

04-04-11, 08:11 PM	#35
Factor Weps Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 356 Downloads: 180 Uploads: 0	All this over some redneck in Florida....

04-06-11, 10:01 PM	#45
Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Yea I saw our General Punkedtreas cow towing. I mean the guys in the military may not think it was right, but they do know he has the right and that's why their in the military in the first place is to defend that right. So I say light em if ya got em, Bibles, Koran's, Tora's or speeding tickets its irrelivant. Freedom is lost when you give up your right's so as to not offend. I would rather be offensive and free then a slave to PC<---New slogan copyright Freiwillige inc. 2011 I think the guy's an idiot but I respect him for standing by his principles.