Coffee Cups in Hell

[Gerald]

The Republican Mormons Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman may run for president, braving more questions about whether they wear the sacred undergarment and more resistance from evangelicals who consider Mormonism an affront to Christianity.

TLC just renewed its hit “Sister Wives,” and HBO’s popular “Big Love” just had its big finale.

On Thursday, “The Book of Mormon,” by Trey Parker and Matt Stone, the scatological scamps who created “South Park,” and Robert Lopez, who co-created “Avenue Q,” opened on Broadway in a confetti burst of profanity, blasphemy, hilarity and rapturous reviews. Stone called the musical “an atheist love letter to religion.”

Aside from impersonating Jennifer Lopez and Gwyneth Paltrow at the 2000 Oscars, Stone and Parker are known for mercilessly mocking religion, celebrity, phonies and Snooki in their cartoon world with the four potty-mouthed fourth-grade boys from Colorado.

They pushed the limits at Comedy Central when they put the Prophet Muhammad in a bear suit. But as Terry Teachout wrote in The Wall Street Journal: “Making fun of Mormons in front of a Broadway crowd is like shooting trout in a demitasse cup. ... If the title of this show were ‘The Quran,’ it wouldn’t have opened.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/27/op...me&ref=general

Note: March 26, 2011

[tater]

Originally Posted by Vendor

TBut as Terry Teachout wrote in The Wall Street Journal: “Making fun of Mormons in front of a Broadway crowd is like shooting trout in a demitasse cup. ... If the title of this show were ‘The Quran,’ it wouldn’t have opened.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/27/op...me&ref=general

So true.

BTW, how many calls for death to Parker and Stone have erupted from the incensed Mormon community? Too many to count?

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by tater

So true.

BTW, how many calls for death to Parker and Stone have erupted from the incensed Mormon community? Too many to count?

[Sailor Steve]

None that I've heard, but though I live in the heart of Mormonville I lead a fairly uninformed life.

On the other hand the local improv group 'Laughing Stock' recently had a long-running show called "Transmorfers: Mormon Meets The Eye", and got no complaints at all.

[Gargamel]

I'm pretty neutral to letting religions do their thing, as they are great community outreach programs and places for people to find the solace and comfort they require.

But the more flak the mormons can take, the happier I am . My wife was excommunicated from the mormon church just because we shared a house. The council of elders (or whatever) called her a whore to her face.

So the mormons can just stick it.

A whole religion based on some tablets a crazy dude claimed he found in the woods, and only he could read? And then all that based on top of some crap a burning plant told some old guy?

Sorry, no trolling intended here. Just my personal opinion based on personal experiences.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

None that I've heard, but though I live in the heart of Mormonville I lead a fairly uninformed life.

On the other hand the local improv group 'Laughing Stock' recently had a long-running show called "Transmorfers: Mormon Meets The Eye", and got no complaints at all.

That's really odd, because I've been told here at SS (many times) that Islam is no different than any other religion in terms of violence, repression, etc. So there must be the same number of protests, death threats, actual deaths, etc that we'd see in any country where the % of Muslims is the same as the Utah % of Mormons.

In fact, this is an excellent test case. Apparently ~60% of Utah residents are Mormons. The % is similar for Brunei, Chad, Lebanon, Malaysia. Slightly lower than Sudan.

So we can compare how large public "attacks" on Islam go over in some of those countries. My suggestion would be to start by having some of the usual apologists for Islam on the boards to head to, say Lebanon, then act as street performers making fun of Muhammad as street entertainers (in the appropriate language so they get the jokes). They should be perfectly safe.

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by Gargamel

A whole religion based on some tablets a crazy dude claimed he found in the woods, and only he could read? And then all that based on top of some crap a burning plant told some old guy?

Sorry, no trolling intended here. Just my personal opinion based on personal experiences.

Quite a feat of navigation was performed in ancient times according to the Book of Mormon. That a group left Jerusalem after it's fall to Babylon, crossed the Arabian Peninsula and sailed from there to North America without a compass or map. But I guess it's no more fanciful than the Ark and the Great Flood which many believe in.

[Gargamel]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

Quite a feat of navigation was performed in ancient times according to the Book of Mormon. That a group left Jerusalem after it's fall to Babylon, crossed the Arabian Peninsula and sailed from there to North America without a compass or map. But I guess it's no more fanciful than the Ark and the Great Flood which many believe in.

The ark/noah can be attributed to an oral history passed down over generations, and then slowly tailored to fit the story tellers needs. I think it arose from when the Bosphorus broke open and connected the then tiny Black Sea to the Med. The fact that most major religions have some sort of flood story gives credence to something happening.

But when the stories are chock full of details that make no sense....

[tater]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

Quite a feat of navigation was performed in ancient times according to the Book of Mormon. That a group left Jerusalem after it's fall to Babylon, crossed the Arabian Peninsula and sailed from there to North America without a compass or map. But I guess it's no more fanciful than the Ark and the Great Flood which many believe in.

In another thread once I think I calculated that for 40 days/nights of rain to deposit a boat high up the mountain they claim it landed on it needed to rain over 160 inches per hour. At a slightly lower elevation, say 12,000 feet, it's only 150 inches per hour. Heck, let's make it 6k feet, then only 75 inches per hour! Course much of the world (and population) is therefor not bumped off. Of course the highest rainfall every recorded was very similar to that value... but it was 71 inches over 24 hours. Highest ever recorded in 1 minute was 1.5 inches (90 inches per hour). Of course every other minute was less than that, and the highest total in an hour is only ~12 inches.

While a flood (a tsunami, or something like one in effect) would be truly devastating, it makes the entire point of "the flood" sort of moot, because instead of smiting the wicked, it simply smites people below a certain altitude, lol.

That's really odd, because I've been told here at SS (many times) that Islam is no different than any other religion in terms of violence, repression, etc. So there must be the same number of protests, death threats, actual deaths, etc that we'd see in any country where the % of Muslims is the same as the Utah % of Mormons.

Hey Dorothy how is that strawman coming along?

My suggestion would be to start by having some of the usual apologists for Islam on the boards to head to, say Lebanon, then act as street performers making fun of Muhammad as street entertainers

My suggestion is that you go to Lebanon and do a comedy routine about Jesus...oh sorry thats not allowed, I guess you struck out there, nice try though.
Why not use Saudi as an example tater, that way it won't backfire on you

[tater]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Hey Dorothy how is that strawman coming along?


My suggestion is that you go to Lebanon and do a comedy routine about Jesus...oh sorry thats not allowed, I guess you struck out there, nice try though.
Why not use Saudi as an example tater, that way it won't backfire on you

I picked countries that had a population that had a muslim % equal to the mormon % of Utah (as I said). Picking a more devout country would simply insure your prosecution (or worse) more rapidly.

It;s already illegal for non-muslims to even visit parts of saudi, for example. People are murdered (legally) for being gay in Iran.

What Muslim country would you be safe to walk the street in if everyone knew you were putting on a show about Muhammad the Pedo (a comedy)?

Think Stone or Parker would be afraid to visit Utah?

I picked countries that had a population that had a muslim % equal to the mormon % of Utah (as I said). Picking a more devout country would simply insure your prosecution (or worse) more rapidly.

Well you should have chosen one which doesn't have certain religious "protections" or chosen a religion which the state doesn't recognise

People are murdered (legally) for being gay in Iran.

Thats the place with all the government funded ladyboys isn't it.
Can you remind me again what century it was when your supreme court got rid of your anti gay laws

Think Stone or Parker would be afraid to visit Utah?

No, the US government kicked the fight out of the Mormons over a century ago

[tater]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Thats the place with all the government funded ladyboys isn't it.
Can you remind me again what century it was when your supreme court got rid of your anti gay laws

Gays were executed in the US by the government? Do tell.

Gays were executed in the US by the government? Do tell.

You at it again tater, making up words.
It was state laws, you know states that had things like executions castration flogging......
But how about some of your own actual words instead of making up words, it wasn't long ago you said it was perfectly acceptable to have sex with 2 year olds, it last time you went off on a mohammed is a pedo rant wasn't it.
Did you eever decide how much older they had to be before a bloke who is claimed to be a prophet can have sex with them?

[tater]

I'm well aware of "blue laws" in the US. Regardless, gays ARE executed, today, right now, in Iran under the color of law, AND religious sanction (the shia have a clergy, after all, and it runs the state).

Cite a single US law that has execution as a penalty for "unnatural acts," "sodomy," etc. Cite one that used to, just so you can at least say it used to happen. Again, in my post I said gays were executed in muslim countries, you then suggested that the US had anti-gay laws. That might be true, but killing people is worse than any other sanction possible. So sodomy being illegal back in the day is not at all the same as stringing up teenagers for having sex. I can post the pictures if you like, or you can simply google it.

In some areas of the US, there were extralegal killings of course, but this was, duh, against the law (even if winked at in the south not all that long ago). OTOH, if you want to go into the 50s and 60s for trouble in the US, slavery was legal in the muslim world at that time.