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I lol'd. Next step should be an SSC appeal which will probably agree. |
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Oh this thread should be good.
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We needed a separate thread? Never complain about too many Obama threads again.
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abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right. |
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Should it be interpreted, as there is room for more Obama related topics
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True dat but we're off and counting!
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Sounds like they wanted to push that bill through the legislature so fast they actually broke the law. It sounds really shady how they don't give notice until the last minute, but then again union busting is often cloak and dagger business so why is it any surprise?
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Furthermore, if the Republicans wanted to they could just have another vote. They don't, however, because they know that some Dane County Circuit Court judge will find yet another reason to issue a temporary restraining order. So they are intentionally allowing this to elevate to the next level. This ruling is a partisan joke and will be overturned at the next level. If it were not, it would throw out practically the last 10 years of laws in the state. Last edited by Aramike; 03-19-11 at 12:04 PM. |
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Get this: judge is actually IGNORING the law which EXPRESSELY PERMITS the process Republicans used.
From Senate Rule 93, enacted BY DEMOCRATS, including one that still serves in the state senate, that pertains to special sessions: Quote:
Judges are supposed to rule on the Constitutionality of laws, not intervene on the legislative process. This is an outrage, albeit an expected one. |
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You can cry over partisan politics all you want but hey, laws are laws if they didn't give proper notices to meetings then its wrong. If the democratic bill has the same mistake then it shouldn't stand either. Two wrongs do not make a right though, and even if the democrats did the same thing it goes to show how people are trying to rush these bills in for their respective side.
But im sure the republicans are freaking right now. They'll be climbing the walls screaming of partisan politics (I actually have a very amusing image of a yelling politician hanging from the ceiling right now in my head). The Ironic part of this whole boondoggle is that the GOP one of, if not the most partisan party out there will be the one complaining this time.
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It's not wrong. You're just like the judge - you find comfort in ignoring things that don't support your predetermined notion. Blind liberalism used to be funny, now it's just sad. Seriously - even if this were to hold up (which it won't) ... so??? Republicans just call another special session, leave 24 hour notice, and pass it again. But again, this judge's ruling is way over her authority, and goes against senate rules PASSED by democrats. Sorry gimpy, your side's gonna lose this one too - even WITH judges content to ignore the law. |
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Stealth Hunter, I just noticed this:
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What makes you think that a conservative Supreme Court is going to overturn a law when the senate rules are explicit, AND they have written that legislature procedure is determined by the body? |
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okay yeah we knew that all along. I'm not talking about who's winning or losing I'm speaking about the law. Obviously she thought it might have violated a law otherwise she wouldn't have done it.
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Just because a law is a law, it is not automatically right or legal. If a law violates a state's constitution, it is technically an "illegal" law and will be struck down by state courts. Further, if it violates the U.S. Constitution, it will be struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court. What is galling and frustrating is how members of both parties will, when in power, enact laws or regulations they know will never meet judicial, much less constituional muster, just to make political capital. The cost in man-hours and monetary expense to pursue this partisan windmill tilting would be better served in correcting and improving problems and situations that really matter.
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Really? Your faith in a judge that IGNORED state law and refused to order school teachers back to work from an illegal strike is stunning.
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