Why aren't people talking about this game: Dragon Age II

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

DA2 is a good game for what it is supposed to be - a story.

If you were expecting a branching campaign or a freeform world, I'd have to ask why? DA was not an open world. Sure there was freedom of movements (and there is in DA2) - but the story itself was linear. The gripe about the world seeming "smaller" is fair - but that is because the story your being told is smaller in scale as well. The strength of this game is the interaction, the story and the character relationships maturing. If you want to judge the game on its weaknesses, you can, but your doing yourself (and anyone who reads your views) a disservice - because this game is not supposed to be a sandbox, opened ended campaign.

Its good for what it is - bad for what it is not. Still, if you expected it to be what it is not, then I don't know what to say, because few who know Bioware would expect them to change the game drastically from its successful formula - why move from strength when you can produce a quality product. And DA2 is quality - if you go into it with the thought of what it is.

As for the "I like big boats" line - the situation was entirely appropriate for the statement. Context is everything. Its not like a person was yelling this in combat - it was specific to a circumstance. In no way was the line an immersion killer for most..... To leave out the context is trying to get others to fault something without sufficent knowledge.

RPG's are based around choice - you choose the storyline. You choose what happens to your character. You choose what happens to the world around you.

Let's compare Bioware RPG's - Mass Effect vs DA2 - (spoiler alert) Mass Effect - you can kill Wrex. You can kill the Council. Both of these actions have a pretty good effect on the story's outcome. Not the overall direction, but enough to make you feel like you took a divergent path. In DA2, the only influence you have is the dialogue someone reacts to you with. You still get the same quests, the same storyline, regardless of your choices. That's the illusion of choice. It stinks.

Context is everything. Its not like a person was yelling this in combat - it was specific to a circumstance. In no way was the line an immersion killer for most..... To leave out the context is trying to get others to fault something without sufficent knowledge.

Explain what context that Sir Mix A Lot is relevant to Thedas in. Was he a member of the Circle? The Chantry? Was he a Grey Warden? The Tevinter Imperium? Was an early 90's rap novelty song the basis of an Orleasian bard tune?

[Ducimus]

PC Gamer said this was the best RPG of the decade! LOL!

It's been my hunch that many big name review sites are somehow strong armed into giving positive reviews. If you want a good review on a big ticket game, you don't go to sites like PC gamer or Gamespot. Maybe back in the day, but in modern times, perhaps not so much.

RPG's are based around choice - you choose the storyline. You choose what happens to your character. You choose what happens to the world around you.

Let's compare Bioware RPG's - Mass Effect vs DA2 - (spoiler alert) Mass Effect - you can kill Wrex. You can kill the Council. Both of these actions have a pretty good effect on the story's outcome. Not the overall direction, but enough to make you feel like you took a divergent path. In DA2, the only influence you have is the dialogue someone reacts to you with. You still get the same quests, the same storyline, regardless of your choices. That's the illusion of choice. It stinks.

That is so rotten, as to be unbelievable. If Bioware decided to go the Mass effect route, i would at least expect to see mass effect styled alternate outcomes based on your decisions in key areas of the game. Alternate text doesn't cut. This bit makes that 60 dollar ticket price for this interactive movie, an object of glaring contempt.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

It's been my hunch that many big name review sites are somehow strong armed into giving positive reviews. If you want a good review on a big ticket game, you don't go to sites like PC gamer or Gamespot. Maybe back in the day, but in modern times, perhaps not so much.



That is so rotten, as to be unbelievable. If Bioware decided to go the Mass effect route, i would at least expect to see mass effect styled alternate outcomes based on your decisions in key areas of the game. Alternate text doesn't cut. This bit makes that 60 dollar ticket price for this interactive movie, an object of glaring contempt.

I'm sorry, my friend. This game is the hated "RPG on rails." So much of this game is based around meaningless side quests that it doesn't matter. For instance, in one quest, I killed a Templar instead of letting him take an apostate mage prisoner. The only repercussion I've faced is that I had a random encounter pop up where a paltry amount of Templars tried to kill me. After dispatching them, I can still wander through the Chantry and Templar central without anyone saying s**to me. Any of the "real" choices that effect the "main" quest are pretty much made for you. Your only input is what kind of smartass remark you make when accepting them.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

So much of this game is based around meaningless side quests that it doesn't matter. Any of the "real" choices that effect the "main" quest are pretty much made for you. Your only input is what kind of smartass remark you make when accepting them.

So much so that i've uninstalled the game.
For now anyway.
Pretty disappointing really.

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[ReFaN]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

So much so that i've uninstalled the game.
For now anyway.
Pretty disappointing really.

Amen to that!

Give us back *Real* RPGs!

[Weiss Pinguin]

Hopefully Bioware doesn't go the same route with ME3

[Feuer Frei!]

Yea they butchered DA 2 imo, cross fingers.

[seaniam81]

It sounds more and more like EA has gotten their evil claws into Bioware.

[mookiemookie]

I remember this quest. This is pretty much exactly how it goes down and these are indeed almost verbatim quotes:



These are the kind of things that drag this game down.

[Arclight]

That last panel is hilarious.

[Krauter]

Yogscast Part 2

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Krauter

Yogscast Part 2

#86

And it's part 3 now:

[Krauter]

Beat me to it

[Weiss Pinguin]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I remember this quest. This is pretty much exactly how it goes down and these are indeed almost verbatim quotes:



These are the kind of things that drag this game down.

Yep. Hilarious, though

ALSO, I found this comic on CAD: