Is God the good guy?

Dowly · 03-11-11, 06:54 PM

Found this video interesting, don't believe in God myself, but for those who do believe in God or other higher power:

Discuss.

Oberon · 03-11-11, 07:04 PM

You should read The Salvation War and Pantheocide.

Platapus · 03-11-11, 07:04 PM

Good point, how come the devil does not have a book of his own?

Dowly · 03-11-11, 07:09 PM

Another video from him, asking why believers praise good things as God's making and bad things as "God works in mysterious ways":

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You should read The Salvation War and Pantheocide.

Googled it, sounds interesting. Will try and have a look at it when I can, thanks.

Growler · 03-11-11, 07:12 PM

Yeah. Good stuff is a blessing, but bad stuff is, at best, "an opportunity god uses to teach us things."

That makes sense - His greatest creation has fallen from glory, so he just allows them to die by the bucketload to teach the others. Makes sense to me.

Oberon · 03-11-11, 07:16 PM

My own opinion is that there is no such thing as the Devil, but it is a need by humanity to blame everything that goes wrong on something. God? Well, something started the Big Bang off, probably the collapse of the universe before us, but then what started that one? Something sparked it all off somewhere, what? Well, I don't have the answer there. I do feel that there is a level of existence beyond which we can comprehend, that is to do with the soul of all creatures...the giant atom perhaps as George Carlin put it. We come from it, we walk this earth and then we go back to it, call it heaven, call it reincarnation, call it whatever you want...many will call it a load of rubbish but that's ok too.

Of course, there's always the chance I'm wrong, heck, there's the chance we're all wrong and as such we are all doomed to suffer in the hellfires of eternity...although to some of us on this planet, I suspect that the hellfires of eternity would be a welcome respite to the hell that already exists on this planet...because to be honest with you, we are far, far, far better at creating hell than Lucifer will ever be.

kiwi_2005 · 03-11-11, 07:20 PM

The devil was once a high-ranking angel who was originally perfect in all his ways. At some point in the past, he was overcome with pride and instigated a large rebellion against God. The Lord reacted by kicking the devil out of Heaven. It was such an uneven match that Jesus described Satan as falling from heaven as lightning (Luke 10:18).

The Bible doesn't really say much about Lucifer. The Islamic religeon explains the devil better, I watched a youtube vid lol, about the devil the uploader a Muslim explained the devil to a T.

In short - Lucifer the devil was the bringer of light one of Gods divine angels. He lost the plot when he wanted to be higher than God. A war erupted in Heaven between Satan and his angels that followed him and Jesus and his angels that stood by God. Like Man the angels also have free will they can turn against God anytime.

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Lucifer was the Anointed Cherub. Anointed means to be set apart for Gods Divine purpose. It also means "bestowal of Gods divine favor", and "appointment to a special place or function."

God had given Satan a certain amount of power and authority. But he perverted that power. Lucifer wanted to exalt himself above God... rather than "just" being the Angel of God.

Growler · 03-11-11, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

My own opinion is that there is no such thing as the Devil, but it is a need by humanity to blame everything that goes wrong on something. God? Well, something started the Big Bang off, probably the collapse of the universe before us, but then what started that one? Something sparked it all off somewhere, what? Well, I don't have the answer there. I do feel that there is a level of existence beyond which we can comprehend, that is to do with the soul of all creatures...the giant atom perhaps as George Carlin put it. We come from it, we walk this earth and then we go back to it, call it heaven, call it reincarnation, call it whatever you want...many will call it a load of rubbish but that's ok too.

Of course, there's always the chance I'm wrong, heck, there's the chance we're all wrong and as such we are all doomed to suffer in the hellfires of eternity...although to some of us on this planet, I suspect that the hellfires of eternity would be a welcome respite to the hell that already exists on this planet...because to be honest with you, we are far, far, far better at creating hell than Lucifer will ever be.

It's rare that we have to go very far before you'll post something insightful and eloquent; once more, you have proven that.

I know this much: I find the world - indeed, all of creation - so much more amazing now that I've outgrown the model of a Creator's "Intelligent Design". Notice that Heaven represented eternal reward, which would be yours for suffering the abuses of power, where Hell would be your reward for resisting them. Convenient, at least if you're the one with the power. This is the entire principle behind Manifest Destiny, and the Western World's largely done away with that concept. Why not the "religion" behind it? Because it still works to keep the sheep in line - I mean, seriously - Christianity even calls it's followers sheep, for pity's sake.

Oberon · 03-11-11, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Growler

It's rare that we have to go very far before you'll post something insightful and eloquent; once more, you have proven that.

Thank you.

Nicolas · 03-11-11, 08:03 PM

I'm a believer, yes he is the only true good guy...
Too much spins for such simple stuff.

Task Force · 03-11-11, 08:08 PM

That makes 100% scene IMO... ive always thought something similar about god. another reason i cant believe in a god.

EX you tell a kid person A is good, they will not question it and will always believe it.

I mean if the book is true, the guy flooded the earth and gave every living animal that wasn't the lucky 2 a horrible death, drowning in a endless sea. Killed anyone/thing no matter what they did in life. I mean, in his own book he admitted to mass murder.

03-11-11, 08:24 PM

Mass Murder is a term Man created and uses as the proclaimer sees fit.
If I had a tank full of Seas Monkeys and dumped it because I was tired of them.
Does that make me a Mass Murderer?
When you get rid of an Ant Hill are you then a Mass Murderer?
I stomp on Spiders when I can.
Have my whole life.
Am I a Serial Killer?

Task Force · 03-11-11, 08:28 PM

Yes, but a whole civilization of humans, some just living their life's, some being "sinner" killing them all, every innocent animal, every animal that lives on land. Killing them just because a group didn't believe?

A spider is just a dumb bug, a Sea monkey isn't alive, and a ant hill is full of stupid bugs. Not a planet full of sentient humans just living life. but anyway, you will think of god as you will, I will as i do.

Growler · 03-11-11, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by privateer

Mass Murder is a term Man created and uses as the proclaimer sees fit.
If I had a tank full of Seas Monkeys and dumped it because I was tired of them.
Does that make me a Mass Murderer?
When you get rid of an Ant Hill are you then a Mass Murderer?
I stomp on Spiders when I can.
Have my whole life.
Am I a Serial Killer?

Sure. What's a title, but a handle by which we hang moral judgement arbitrarily? Stalin was a mass-murderer at the same time Hitler was the savior of the Aryan race. Hirohito was the Son of Heaven at who's command perhaps millions of Chinese were killed, but Roosevelt was the Western Imperialist who sought to deprive Japan of her rightful place in the world by stifling the tools her people needed to survive.

It's all perspective and angle. History accepts that two of those were mass murderers, one a leader exploited by his military, and the last a great president.

03-11-11, 08:38 PM

Then your pretty much saying all Soldiers that eliminate Enemy Targets
are Mass Murderers or Serial Killers.

03-11-11, 06:54 PM	#1
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Is God the good guy? Found this video interesting, don't believe in God myself, but for those who do believe in God or other higher power: Discuss.

03-11-11, 07:04 PM	#3
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Good point, how come the devil does not have a book of his own? __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

03-11-11, 07:12 PM	#5
Growler A long way from the sea Join Date: May 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,913 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Yeah. Good stuff is a blessing, but bad stuff is, at best, "an opportunity god uses to teach us things." That makes sense - His greatest creation has fallen from glory, so he just allows them to die by the bucketload to teach the others. Makes sense to me. __________________ At Fiddler’s Green, where seamen true When here they’ve done their duty The bowl of grog shall still renew And pledge to love and beauty.

03-11-11, 07:20 PM	#7
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	The devil was once a high-ranking angel who was originally perfect in all his ways. At some point in the past, he was overcome with pride and instigated a large rebellion against God. The Lord reacted by kicking the devil out of Heaven. It was such an uneven match that Jesus described Satan as falling from heaven as lightning (Luke 10:18). The Bible doesn't really say much about Lucifer. The Islamic religeon explains the devil better, I watched a youtube vid lol, about the devil the uploader a Muslim explained the devil to a T. In short - Lucifer the devil was the bringer of light one of Gods divine angels. He lost the plot when he wanted to be higher than God. A war erupted in Heaven between Satan and his angels that followed him and Jesus and his angels that stood by God. Like Man the angels also have free will they can turn against God anytime. quote Lucifer was the Anointed Cherub. Anointed means to be set apart for Gods Divine purpose. It also means "bestowal of Gods divine favor", and "appointment to a special place or function." God had given Satan a certain amount of power and authority. But he perverted that power. Lucifer wanted to exalt himself above God... rather than "just" being the Angel of God. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

03-11-11, 08:08 PM	#11
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	That makes 100% scene IMO... ive always thought something similar about god. another reason i cant believe in a god. EX you tell a kid person A is good, they will not question it and will always believe it. I mean if the book is true, the guy flooded the earth and gave every living animal that wasn't the lucky 2 a horrible death, drowning in a endless sea. Killed anyone/thing no matter what they did in life. I mean, in his own book he admitted to mass murder. __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time" Last edited by Task Force; 03-11-11 at 08:31 PM.

03-11-11, 07:04 PM	#2
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	You should read The Salvation War and Pantheocide.

03-11-11, 07:16 PM	#6
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	My own opinion is that there is no such thing as the Devil, but it is a need by humanity to blame everything that goes wrong on something. God? Well, something started the Big Bang off, probably the collapse of the universe before us, but then what started that one? Something sparked it all off somewhere, what? Well, I don't have the answer there. I do feel that there is a level of existence beyond which we can comprehend, that is to do with the soul of all creatures...the giant atom perhaps as George Carlin put it. We come from it, we walk this earth and then we go back to it, call it heaven, call it reincarnation, call it whatever you want...many will call it a load of rubbish but that's ok too. Of course, there's always the chance I'm wrong, heck, there's the chance we're all wrong and as such we are all doomed to suffer in the hellfires of eternity...although to some of us on this planet, I suspect that the hellfires of eternity would be a welcome respite to the hell that already exists on this planet...because to be honest with you, we are far, far, *far* better at creating hell than Lucifer will ever be.

03-11-11, 08:03 PM	#10
Nicolas Commander Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Uruguay Posts: 453 Downloads: 196 Uploads: 4	I'm a believer, yes he is the only true good guy... Too much spins for such simple stuff.

03-11-11, 08:24 PM	#12
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Mass Murder is a term Man created and uses as the proclaimer sees fit. If I had a tank full of Seas Monkeys and dumped it because I was tired of them. Does that make me a Mass Murderer? When you get rid of an Ant Hill are you then a Mass Murderer? I stomp on Spiders when I can. Have my whole life. Am I a Serial Killer?

03-11-11, 08:28 PM	#13
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Yes, but a whole civilization of humans, some just living their life's, some being "sinner" killing them all, every innocent animal, every animal that lives on land. Killing them just because a group didn't believe? A spider is just a dumb bug, a Sea monkey isn't alive, and a ant hill is full of stupid bugs. Not a planet full of sentient humans just living life. but anyway, you will think of god as you will, I will as i do. __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

03-11-11, 08:38 PM	#15
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Then your pretty much saying all Soldiers that eliminate Enemy Targets are Mass Murderers or Serial Killers.