Gotta love the press

[August]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

already changed that statement. but still that was an old atticle.

as i said in my changed post above, Wisconsins governor is cutting taxes for corporations, but asking public employees to pay more in taxes a year. so essentially, the working classes' belt is tightened while corporations are handed 137,000,000 over 3 years. If you need to balance a budget you need to do it fairly. Corporate tax cuts to stimulate the economy are the trickle down effects little brother. The savings they get from these bills rarely go into the workers pocket, much like how the tax savings to rich in the trickle down only really serve to make the rich richer, rather than making them spend more money.

Well for what it's worth the unions say they have no problem with the pension and pay cuts, they just want to reserve their right to stick it to the taxpayer later on when they think they can get away with it again.

As I've said, i'm not a fan of unions but I don't begrudge their existence in the private sector. PUBLIC sector unions on the other hand... Just who are these people organizing against?

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

already changed that statement. but still that was an old atticle.

as i said in my changed post above, Wisconsins governor is cutting taxes for corporations, but asking public employees to pay more in taxes a year. so essentially, the working classes' belt is tightened while corporations are handed 137,000,000 over 3 years. If you need to balance a budget you need to do it fairly. Corporate tax cuts to stimulate the economy are the trickle down effects little brother. The savings they get from these bills rarely go into the workers pocket, much like how the tax savings to rich in the trickle down only really serve to make the rich richer, rather than making them spend more money.

Don't you have homework to do? a union rally to attend in Madison?

Anyway, Where was the newspaper's interest in this prior to Nov?
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/i..._wu_and_h.html

In 2004, The Oregonian reported that Wu, as a student at Stanford University in 1976, was disciplined for trying to force an ex-girlfriend to have sex.

Wu had refused interview requests for months and hired an attorney, Michael Simon, who aggressively attacked the paper's reporting and sought to stop publication. When the story ran three weeks before the election, Wu quickly apologized for his "inexcusable behavior" and was handily re-elected.

That looks like a fancy way of saying "rape." But it's okay it's par for the course in politics here. It's a non-issue.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by August

Well for what it's worth the unions say they have no problem with the pension and pay cuts, they just want to reserve their right to stick it to the taxpayer later on when they think they can get away with it again.

As I've said, i'm not a fan of unions but I don't begrudge their existence in the private sector. PUBLIC sector unions on the other hand... Just who are these people organizing against?

I think somebody (anybody) needs to create a thread regarding what a drain public sector unions are on society.

[tater]

Public employees should not be allowed to unionize, period.

Unions are an adversarial relationship with management that has a rational limit. That limit is that the business they work for must continue, even grow, or they are SOL. This is simply not the case WRT public employees. Their "company" can simply print money. They have no rational limits most of the time...

Why? Because their "adversary" is frequently on their side! Imagine if every unionized corporation had a narrowly split management that sometimes would side unerringly with whatever crazy demand the union asked for? Some places might have businesses where the "management" was nothing but union members themselves for decades. Democrats in power... unions can run rampant. Republicans? Hell, unions still usually run rampant because they are under contract, and hold much political power (all wielded towards helping one party—the bosses they want to give them easier jobs for more money).

Hmmm, except those companies would have tanked, unlike, say, a State.

The contractual arrangements between public employees and the public should be decided by the elected officials, period. If they say that city road workers should make $6/hr instead of $26, the people have spoken, take it or leave it. Strike? Fired. Unemployment is well over 10% most places (since many have stopped looking and are off the stats). Fire all of them and start over.

[August]

Originally Posted by tater

Public employees should not be allowed to unionize, period.

Unions are an adversarial relationship with management that has a rational limit. That limit is that the business they work for must continue, even grow, or they are SOL. This is simply not the case WRT public employees. Their "company" can simply print money. They have no rational limits most of the time...

Why? Because their "adversary" is frequently on their side! Imagine if every unionized corporation had a narrowly split management that sometimes would side unerringly with whatever crazy demand the union asked for? Some places might have businesses where the "management" was nothing but union members themselves for decades.

Hmmm, except those companies would have tanked, unlike, say, a State.

The contractual arrangements between public employees and the public should be decided by the elected officials, period. If they say that city road workers should make $6/hr instead of $26, the people have spoken, take it or leave it. Strike? Fired. Unemployment is well over 10% most places (since many have stopped looking and are off the stats). Fire all of them and start over.

QFFT

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

I think somebody (anybody) needs to create a thread regarding what a drain public sector unions are on society.

i know its a outrage that we don't have to work in horrible conditions for minimum wage 12 hours a day.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

i know its a outrage that we don't have to work in horrible conditions for minimum wage 12 hours a day.

Ha! I work a 12 hour day and love it. Four day weekends

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Ha! I work a 12 hour day and love it. Four day weekends

well thats why you get that then. now imagine doing that without overtime or extra days off

[August]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

i know its a outrage that we don't have to work in horrible conditions for minimum wage 12 hours a day.

Your arguments are invalid here. That would never apply to government jobs.