Gaza aid flotilla raid: Turkey criticises Israel report

[Gerald]

Turkey has condemned an Israeli inquiry that said the Israeli navy acted lawfully during a deadly raid on an aid flotilla trying to reach Gaza last May.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the report had neither value nor credibility.

The raid, in which nine Turkish activists were killed, attracted widespread international condemnation.

A separate UN inquiry last year said the navy had shown an "unacceptable level of brutality".

The military operation severely strained relations with Ankara - a long-time ally of Israel.

The 300-page Turkel Committee report found the actions of the Israeli navy in the raid and Israel's naval blockade of Gaza were both legal under international law.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12262617

Note: 23 January 2011 Last updated at 16:09 GMT

[MH]

Originally Posted by Vendor

Turkey has condemned an Israeli inquiry that said the Israeli navy acted lawfully during a deadly raid on an aid flotilla trying to reach Gaza last May.............

What else could they do.

[Skybird]

No surprise, Turkey is falling back into fundamentalist regime more rapidly then even I have feared. Currently their military and its constitutional role in protecting secularism against religion is being castrated by a huge AKP-led campaign. The judges will be the next (and last) hurdle to be brought to a fall by the fundamentalists. With these last two opponents being overwhelmed and brought under fundamentalist control, there is no escape anymore.

Forget Turkey.

I saw this coming since many years, and said so since many years. My last stay in Tuzrkey was in the mid-90s. Even back then the writing already was on the wall, especially in the rural areas - where the AKP became strong and that it now totally dominates.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Latest Wikileaks news:

Cables reveal that Israel considers Turkey to be lost a lost "partner" for the West, and American diplomats agree, saying that Erdoghan hates Israel with all his will and dreams of a neoi-ottoman dominance in Europe and in the region. A further dramatic radicalisation of Islam in Turkey is expected by both. Turkey, having aligned with Iran recently, more or less openly supports the Hamas (an Iranian proxy) and raises fundings for it.

The Palestinian government is totally pissed by the Turks. (!!!)

link

( http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show....php?p=1579013 )

It seems also that Turkey lets weapon deliveries for Al Quaeda pass, I read yesterday and today.

In America they worry about Assange and compare him to Bin Laden? They better should speak out against neo-ottoman emperor Erdoghan I. and the AKP.

[Jimbuna]

I personally agree with the reports findings but nor am I suprised.

[gimpy117]

besides, even if you didn't attack first what do you expect??!!

you don't just run a military blockade and expect everybody to be all honkey dory about it. These people were shooting ROCKETS at Israel. Since much of Palestine i wager supports hamas, i would say that they are the enemy. Letting food and other supplies not only feeds supporters of Hamas, it feeds Hamas itself proper. Britain would never have dreamed of letting food ships into Germany During the blitz when the Nazis were shooting rockets at them...so why are the Israelis supposed to allow this?

But I also get the feeling turkey is becoming more and more fundamentalist. I really hope they don't get into the EU

[Gerald]

Turkey and the EU, not a good combination, the country has many problems and is likely to remain unresolved for a long time.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Vendor

Turkey and the EU, not a good combination, the country has many problems and is likely to remain unresolved for a long time.

When you combine EU problems and Turky's they just might meet somewhere in the middle.

[Gerald]

The speculation, whether it was a speculation, that I do not buy, but would agree that the EU has problems, and many bureaucratic those unfortunately

you don't just run a military blockade and expect everybody to be all honkey dory about it.

Military blockade????
It was a customs issue.

Letting food and other supplies not only feeds supporters of Hamas, it feeds Hamas itself proper. Britain would never have dreamed of letting food ships into Germany During the blitz when the Nazis were shooting rockets at them...so why are the Israelis supposed to allow this?

What a strange statement. Leaving aside the complete mix up of situations and laws you are making the best response is.....
The Israelis are supposed to allow this because the Israelis are supposed to allow this and have signed up to the laws that says they are supposed to allow it.
If they don't want to allow it then they must officaly abandon the laws and become an openly declared pariah state.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

Letting food and other supplies not only feeds supporters of Hamas, it feeds Hamas itself proper.

Not to mention that much of what was labelled as "food" indeed was construction material and concrete - with Hamas known to massively build a bunker network in the Gaza strip.

How loving and care-taking the Turks and the donators to this human aid expedition have been, one can also see in that all medical drugs that were included (like the other stuff just thrown in to the ship'S comoartzment, in chaos), had their expiration dates already run out - by 2 years and more. Much of the food was not to be consummed anymore, too, also expired since long time. In other words: the ship's official load was just a foul alibi. The construction material was meant to assists Hamas' military network. Israel allows food into gaza, but constzruction maeriual and any luxurious food that could boost morale (chips and chocolate for example), are banned.

Nevertheless, if you have the money, you can live a luxurious life in Gaza. There is almost nothing you cannot buy, from luxury food to high tech. It's just that only the richest elite and the Hamas functionaries can afford most of that stuff. The ordinary population cannot.

Israel has replaced most of the food at iuts own cost, and then transported it to Gaza - where it was rejected by Hamas. Hamas needs no fed, comfrotable population. It needs a hungry, suffering and hatefilled population with despair and anger in their hearts. Only suffering eyes win the propaganda war in world media,. only angry people tolerate Hamas' tyrannic regime that is not shy of sacrificing its own people - and most of them not voluntarily.

And I recall that Israel claimed to have found weapons, too. No surprise - they came under fire and attack when boarding the ship, being moved on by a mob with the intention to kill.

Not to mention that much of what was labelled as "food" indeed was construction material and concrete

Materials which the Red Cross had been been begging for as vital humanitarian aid ever since the civilian infrastructure was wrecked.

Hamas needs no fed, comfrotable population. It needs a hungry, suffering and hatefilled population with despair and anger in their hearts.

So the blocking of shipments helps the terrorists, what a sensible policy to persue.

And I recall that Israel claimed to have found weapons, too.

That is correct, Israel did claim that.
Can you recall that claim managed to stand up to about two minutes of scrutiny before it collapsed?

[MH]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Military blockade????
It was a customs issue.


What a strange statement. Leaving aside the complete mix up of situations and laws you are making the best response is.....
The Israelis are supposed to allow this because the Israelis are supposed to allow this and have signed up to the laws that says they are supposed to allow it..

Israel does what is best for its interest.
Should we ask Irish or hammas whats good for us.
I haven't seen you criticizing hammas even onece-don't you agree that its extremist Islamic terror organization that has no respect for international law?

Originally Posted by Tribesman

If they don't want to allow it then they must officaly abandon the laws and become an openly declared pariah state.

Common cut this crap you must be really anti...you dig to hard to back up your false perceptions of Israel.
If you are so concerned about Palestinians in Gaza just keep the supplies coming through Israeli ports instead of breaking blockade.
The later it seems serves people like you better.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Vendor

Turkey and the EU, not a good combination, the country has many problems and is likely to remain unresolved for a long time.

I agree. The stubborness of Islam when it comes to international or even national....or regional...or munincipal...or civil unions could only be problematic for the EU, and the EU doesn't need any more problems than it already has.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

and the EU doesn't need any more problems than it already has.

It has no problems - it IS the problem. Due to its structural design and new agenda since German reunification, changing its intention dramatically from a federation of sovereign, cooperating states, towards a federal state run by a cynical carricature of "democracy".

Destroy it, make room for a new effort, start from scratch. And destroy the lobbies and oligarchies in European states first, else it is doomed from restart on to just fail once again. Reforming it they claim since decades - always moving from bad to worse that way. Single good decisions and changes here and there are nice, but do not compensate for the overall damage being done. The good is far too little, the bad is ways too much.

This restart will not be accievable without painful changes and losses. But the pain and loss from staying with how it is and moves on, is even greater.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

This restart will not be accievable without painful changes and losses. But the pain and loss from staying with how it is and moves on, is even greater.

I reckon the only way the EU would be dismantled now would be as a consequence of a war between member states/nations and nobody in their right mind should want to see that happen.

Another possibility might be as a result of member states/nations leaving one by one because of the affordability issues economically and monetary but I should imagine bail outs will become much more common practice in the future.