Pilot Punished for Video Critical of Airport,

Gerald · 12-28-10, 10:22 PM

Security Comes Forward, Won't Back Down! The California airline pilot punished by the Transportation Security Administration for posting videos critical of airport security has revealed his identity.Chris Liu, who calls himself the "Patriot Pilot," says he was just trying to improve airport security when he released a recorded and posted online footage of San Francisco International Airport in which he criticized a number of procedures.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/28...est=latestnews

Note: Published December 28, 2010

the_tyrant · 12-28-10, 10:26 PM

you know, this is just like the "certified ethical hacker" course
It works both ways

Platapus · 12-28-10, 10:48 PM

There is a right way for someone to bring security concerns up and the wrong way.

He choose the wrong way.

GoldenRivet · 12-28-10, 10:49 PM

when i had the airline gig... i could go to one such "employee portal"

i showed a security guard my company ID which was clipped to my shirt pocket. this counted for nothing more than a "badge flash" where you hold it out and its like "heres my badge thanks for playing" in the span of about 2 seconds.

I had what is called an "AOA bage" which would be swiped to gain entry to the secure side of the airport.

once swiped, the green light activated, the door (which was monitored directly by camera) unlocked and i opened it and walked in.

the whole process took perhaps 8 seconds. less if the guard was sleeping/ texting/ talking on the cell phone etc.

200+ days out of the year, if i wanted to take my colt 45 to work just for grins, it would have gone un-noticed.

However, i wouldnt do such a thing, and i cant think of a single pilot I worked with who would.

I went through about 45 minutes to an hour of psychological profiling, and to top that off i went through FBI background and fingerprint checks before i completed the second day of the interview process.

now... here is where the problem is:

What about that 19 year old working at the taco bell? or that gate service agent? or any of the other half dozen minimum wagers who went through the same door every single day of the year?

is there a price for sneaking a hand gun into the seat back pocket of seat 12A that these people could be had for?

his complaint and taping of these procedures is both foolish and reckless... but it is also enlightening and begs a serious question about employee security.

as a Pilot? should i be subjected to the same screening as passengers? should my bags be searched? should i be nudie photoed? etc?

after all - like your surgeon... if i wanted you dead - your dead... thats all there is to it.

i dont need to get a weapon into security to do nasty things.

however, like i said, i cant think of a single pilot out there - at least that I know - who would even consider doing such a thing.

Castout · 12-28-10, 11:03 PM

Well put Golden Rivet

People forget that nobody can control security they can only manage it to minimize risk. Security depends as in law too on the willingness of the majority of society members to comply with it.

Simply because rules are in all objectivity FICTITIOUS and depend on the subjects to comply to respect them to apply. If you don't think so what would you think would happen if just half of New Yorkers had gone rampaging and looting shops?
The New York police would have little else to do than stand by and watch.

Note everything that man has created out of ideas is all fictitious. Those include: Human rights, the constitution, rule of law, nationhood or sovereignty, political ideologies, influence or power and all kind of stipulated rules.

What is real is people and free will and the ability to judge between right or wrong and even the last is nonexistent in some people suffering from certain psychological deficiencies.
Though those things are fictitious it doesn't mean they are valueless as one of the goal of human being development is to be aspired to things that he believe or hold high regard to.

antikristuseke · 12-28-10, 11:09 PM

they could start shooting people, that would at least make some of the ****ers think twice.

GoldenRivet · 12-28-10, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

they could start shooting people, that would at least make some of the ****ers think twice.

actually

no

unless a person does something to directly threaten the life of an officer, he cannot just arbitrarily shoot them for being a dumb ass.

if they could... the US population would only be about 30 million.

antikristuseke · 12-28-10, 11:13 PM

wouldn't widespread looting result in the declaration of a state of emergency with martial law possibly being established and enforced?

FIREWALL · 12-29-10, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

wouldn't widespread looting result in the declaration of a state of emergency with martial law possibly being established and enforced?

What the hell does this have to do with the OP topic.

Castout · 12-29-10, 01:06 AM

I just would like to add that there's no 100% security and it may even not be needed as the amount of efforts and resources to provide near maximum or near perfect security would be ridiculously high and intensive. It would be a folly to attempt it.

I view the current full body scan as excess and intrusive. . . . . .unless it required no human monitoring then again I must question the health risk posed by having gone through repeated scans in regular basis for those who travel a lot.

It's like saying that because crime is a possibility then all citizens must be considered a criminal unless proven otherwise. You just can't protect everything or at the same time protect one area intensively while being reckless in others. There must be balance in the coverage. I mean if some terrorist brought liquid bio-chemical terror substance would then all water or liquid be banned from the cabin?

Or that why not targeting the airport itself than trying to board the plane. I mean an airport is a symbol of authority and it is full of people. Then what? providing full body scan at the airport gate? If I was the terrorist I would avoid tight security and hit somewhere which is no less important or less symbolic but is much less secured.

What the pilot is trying to say has already happened here. A hotel was bombed not by terrorist posing as guest but by a terrorist posing as the hotel employee(florist) who never had to go through metal scan and belonging check. He actually had been working in the hotel for months

antikristuseke · 12-29-10, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

What the hell does this have to do with the OP topic.

It was a question directed at GoldenRivet, not at the OP. The relevance to the OP is nonexistant.

GoldenRivet · 12-29-10, 02:38 AM

not even when half of LA was burned down with riots did they resort to just randomly shooting people.

antikristuseke · 12-29-10, 02:46 AM

I probably should have expressed myself more clearly, I did not mean randomly shooting people, more like using leathal force to restore order. During the bronze night riots here I wish they had resorted to that, but that ofcourse did not happen. I'm just sick and tired of looters pretty much geting away with that crap, regardless of the geographical loaction. But meh, ennough OT on this subject.

12-28-10, 10:22 PM	#1
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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	There is a right way for someone to bring security concerns up and the wrong way. He choose the wrong way. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

12-28-10, 10:49 PM	#4
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	when i had the airline gig... i could go to one such "employee portal" i showed a security guard my company ID which was clipped to my shirt pocket. this counted for nothing more than a "badge flash" where you hold it out and its like "heres my badge thanks for playing" in the span of about 2 seconds. I had what is called an "AOA bage" which would be swiped to gain entry to the secure side of the airport. once swiped, the green light activated, the door (which was monitored directly by camera) unlocked and i opened it and walked in. the whole process took perhaps 8 seconds. less if the guard was sleeping/ texting/ talking on the cell phone etc. 200+ days out of the year, if i wanted to take my colt 45 to work just for grins, it would have gone un-noticed. However, i wouldnt do such a thing, and i cant think of a single pilot I worked with who would. I went through about 45 minutes to an hour of psychological profiling, and to top that off i went through FBI background and fingerprint checks before i completed the second day of the interview process. now... here is where the problem is: What about that 19 year old working at the taco bell? or that gate service agent? or any of the other half dozen minimum wagers who went through the same door every single day of the year? is there a price for sneaking a hand gun into the seat back pocket of seat 12A that these people could be had for? his complaint and taping of these procedures is both foolish and reckless... but it is also enlightening and begs a serious question about employee security. as a Pilot? should i be subjected to the same screening as passengers? should my bags be searched? should i be nudie photoed? etc? after all - like your surgeon... if i wanted you dead - your dead... thats all there is to it. i dont need to get a weapon into security to do nasty things. however, like i said, i cant think of a single pilot out there - at least that I know - who would even consider doing such a thing. __________________

12-28-10, 11:03 PM	#5
Castout Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 4,794 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 6	Well put Golden Rivet People forget that nobody can control security they can only manage it to minimize risk. Security depends as in law too on the willingness of the majority of society members to comply with it. Simply because rules are in all objectivity FICTITIOUS and depend on the subjects to comply to respect them to apply. If you don't think so what would you think would happen if just half of New Yorkers had gone rampaging and looting shops? The New York police would have little else to do than stand by and watch. Note everything that man has created out of ideas is all fictitious. Those include: Human rights, the constitution, rule of law, nationhood or sovereignty, political ideologies, influence or power and all kind of stipulated rules. What is real is people and free will and the ability to judge between right or wrong and even the last is nonexistent in some people suffering from certain psychological deficiencies. Though those things are fictitious it doesn't mean they are valueless as one of the goal of human being development is to be aspired to things that he believe or hold high regard to. __________________ My blog: http://exposingsingapore.wordpress.com/ Last edited by Castout; 12-28-10 at 11:22 PM.

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antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	they could start shooting people, that would at least make some of the ****ers think twice.

12-28-10, 11:13 PM	#8
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	wouldn't widespread looting result in the declaration of a state of emergency with martial law possibly being established and enforced?

12-29-10, 01:06 AM	#10
Castout Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 4,794 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 6	I just would like to add that there's no 100% security and it may even not be needed as the amount of efforts and resources to provide near maximum or near perfect security would be ridiculously high and intensive. It would be a folly to attempt it. I view the current full body scan as excess and intrusive. . . . . .unless it required no human monitoring then again I must question the health risk posed by having gone through repeated scans in regular basis for those who travel a lot. It's like saying that because crime is a possibility then all citizens must be considered a criminal unless proven otherwise. You just can't protect everything or at the same time protect one area intensively while being reckless in others. There must be balance in the coverage. I mean if some terrorist brought liquid bio-chemical terror substance would then all water or liquid be banned from the cabin? Or that why not targeting the airport itself than trying to board the plane. I mean an airport is a symbol of authority and it is full of people. Then what? providing full body scan at the airport gate? If I was the terrorist I would avoid tight security and hit somewhere which is no less important or less symbolic but is much less secured. What the pilot is trying to say has already happened here. A hotel was bombed not by terrorist posing as guest but by a terrorist posing as the hotel employee(florist) who never had to go through metal scan and belonging check. He actually had been working in the hotel for months __________________ My blog: http://exposingsingapore.wordpress.com/ Last edited by Castout; 12-29-10 at 01:33 AM.

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GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	not even when half of LA was burned down with riots did they resort to just randomly shooting people. __________________

12-29-10, 02:46 AM	#13
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I probably should have expressed myself more clearly, I did not mean randomly shooting people, more like using leathal force to restore order. During the bronze night riots here I wish they had resorted to that, but that ofcourse did not happen. I'm just sick and tired of looters pretty much geting away with that crap, regardless of the geographical loaction. But meh, ennough OT on this subject.