"They are obsessed with the rights of others..."

[Skybird]

One of these stories were you can just shake your head and think: F.U., Europe.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-12007100

Sometimes I wonder what kind of brain cancer some jurists are suffering from - or is it a parasite breeding inside their head and having started to eat grey matter?

Comparable cases in Germany over the past years. One could become sick from it.

[Alex]

Now THAT's a matter for debate. I'd not be able to comply with that court judgement personally.

God only knows what the father is planning to do now...

I could have sworn someone earlier today was singing the praises of human rights legislation and how important it is to be followed by the judiciary, now it seems human rights legislation is a joke because...errrr...its being followed by the judiciary.

As for the case, tricky one. He is already punished under the law for the offences commited, an asylum hearing is another matter entirely.
The problem here appears to be almost entirely the result of the delays in processing applications especially regarding deportations to Iraq

[TLAM Strike]

This guy should have been put in jail for negligent homicide and hit and run seven years ago, then deported.

[Betonov]

It's all Hitlers fault, every liberal is going to whine about deporting anyone or even (rightfully) punishing someone being neo-nazism, just because some stupid austrian that had too much time in prison took nationalism to an extreme. So lets not anger the hippies and let everyone in and nurse them and spoil them. I'm all for immigration but it's the free immigration that bothers me

P.S. I'm a liberal

[Oberon]

Betonov has hit a rather large nail on the head there, anything that is discriminatory is easy to label as fascism.

[Growler]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Betonov has hit a rather large nail on the head there, anything that is discriminatory is easy to label as fascism.

Only because that has been allowed to be so. When a white person says something derogatory about a person of a different race, it's racism. When someone of a different race says it about a white person, it's tolerated as a "cultural difference." Political correctness has gone WAY too far, into the realm of the absurd. I know that when I was at (then) Towson State in the 90's, they had a Black Student Union. What would have happened if I had proposed a White Student Union to go alongside it?

[Sammi79]

Why was he not charged with either manslaughter or death by dangerous driving? that would indicate that the police had decided that it was not his fault, truly an 'accident' - although driving whilst disqualified? had he not been breaking that particular law it is very unlikely that his car would have been involved in that 'accident' surely there is liabilty right there.

4 months in nick for taking a life? I say put him back in and tell all the other inmates what he did. He wouldn't last a week. Seems justice is on the wrong side of the political correctness fence these days.

Deportation is neither here nor there, if the rules say he can stay, then he can. I dare say he'd be smart not to given what a large number of people must think about him now anyway.

[Skybird]

It's another fine example of how our values, laws and good intentions - are being turned against us.

If the child'S wellbeing is the aergument, then I wonder why it is considered to be in its wellbeing to let it stay with a highly criminal father.

Family arguments are nowadays too often the argument not to send foreigners back to qwehre they cam from after they abuse massively the laws of hospitality, and bring crime or hostility to our homes.

My solutoion to the case in question?

First, I know how it is when a loved one gets killed and the offender gets a hilariously low penalty - my loved one was killed by a drunken ghostdriver longer time ago, he got a financial fee, a prison sentence on suspension of several months, and he got the driver'S licence back after 6 months, because, so it was argued, he needed it. In 1972, the prgenant sioster of my mother and her freeshly married huzsband also were wiped out by a drunken ghostdriver. He was considered to be limited criminally liable because he was drunk (yeah, people are not responsible for how much they drink), he payed a bit money, and got his licence back even before his also suspended prison sen tence was over. He then caused another accident some time later - again, drunk, with other seriously injured and paying the bill.

So, I have some idea of how the father here feels.

My solution. Get the kid and take it away from a criminal who is a known repetive criminal. Send him to prison for having tried to evade the responsi bility for the killing he caused, and after he served his term, send him back to the damn place were he came from, lifetime ban to ever return to Europe. Give the kid to a caring family who knows better what responsibility is, is not criminal, and due tpo being native casn oiffer it a realistric chance to fully integrate. THAT is what would be in the interest of the child.

Why are Europeans so eager to bring in and keep all the azzholes of the world even when the latter spit into their faces - are they still doing penance for the times of collonialism or inquisition, or what? Thiongs likie this is not what International Laws and Human Rights are for. Things like this story illustrate how willingly we accept to see them being abused and exploited.

A recent Swiss vote got it right, I think. Foreigners who become criminal - must leave, says the vote, even can lose previously gained citizenship. Wonderful healthy reason.

Of course, the EU calls it "populistic" and "rightwinged radicalism" - what else was to expect...?

My solution. Get the kid and take it away from a criminal who is a known repetive criminal. Send him to prison for having tried to evade the responsi bility for the killing he caused, and after he served his term, send him back to the damn place were he came from, lifetime ban to ever return to Europe. Give the kid to a caring family who knows better what responsibility is, is not criminal, and due tpo being native casn oiffer it a realistric chance to fully integrate. THAT is what would be in the interest of the child.

What a certifiably crazy person you really are.
So if the father of a child commits a crime the mother must have her children taken away.
To make it even better and more illustrative of how crazy it is you want to take peoples children away and give them to "natives".
The master race really produced a doozy there.

[jumpy]

Tough call. Had he no children of his own in the UK, I'd have no issue with a deportation given his previous failed attempts and subsequent criminal convictions.
This raises the question: is he acting as a father to those children now, or is he just a name on a birth certificate?

I'd argue, however, that if our asylum/deportation/immigration system had done its job with proper diligence the first time, there would neither be the question of his rights (as he has children in the UK now), nor the tragedy of the death he is guilty of causing.

I'd argue, however, that if our asylum/deportation/immigration system had done its job with proper diligence the first time, there would neither be the question of his rights (as he has children in the UK now), nor the tragedy of the death he is guilty of causing.

Indeed, though the problem with that was that when Saddam was everyones friend you couldn't really deport a Kurd, thenwhen Saddam was no longer everyones friend you still couldn't really deport a Kurd, after Saddam was gone the situation was so screwed that you couldn't really deport anyone to Iraq.
So even if the asylum system had been doing its job with proper diligence it couldn't really have done anything much.

[jumpy]

What about now iraq is the very paragon of democratic reform?

In all seriousness, we have to stop thinking people like this are our problem* - were it not for the circumstances of his life here, there should be no reason to not [dm]send them all back[/dm]
Cases like this highlight the ineptitude of the uk boarder agency.

I doubt for one minute that any of the middle eastern nations would have any qualms about repatriating illegal immigrants. In fact I'm certain of it.

hey ho, I was going to say something rude about this case, but I'll refrain.



* I don't refer to those who have their asylum applications accepted.

I doubt for one minute that any of the middle eastern nations would have any qualms about repatriating illegal immigrants. In fact I'm certain of it.

You shouldn't be so certain, after all repatriation of anyone anywhere requires an agreement between two states.
Look at Libya and its detention and deportation problems for a european linked newsstory or look at the Egypt/Israel problems with Sudan

[jumpy]

True enough, but to get around the small matter of these agreements, they tend to put such displaced peoples in camps in the middle of nowhere instead. Such camps have 'non-peoples' in them, where in effect they belong to no-one. Not much different to deporting someone back to a place they claim asylum from in terms of safety and law, agreements or no.
perhaps I'm nit-picking here, but the arabs (for example) are great at holding their hands up and saying 'ooh, you know what? we don't want you to be our problem, tata'.
The result is that we have many incidents like the one in the article - some other countries trash, having little care for our rules (we already have enough of our own citizens who behave this way) cluttering up the place and taking up time and money in the courts to no pleasant outcome.
But I get where your at with it not always being so simple. Were it so he'd never have been allowed to remain within our boarders to start with and I'd fully concur with that.