Things We Need an ID For...

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

You know this has me wondering now if there is a way for me to see who I voted for in the past, just to see if I'm a victim of voter fraud or not.

What state are you in?

I don't think you'd be able to find out who your votes were for, but you COULD make sure you only voted once in the elections you participated in, depending on the state.

[yubba]

By the sound the 9th circus court rule that you don't have show ID too vote.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I believe that ID should be required to vote. The only argument I can see to the contrary is that none of the things you listed are constitutionally guaranteed rights, but I still think pragmatically, ID should be required.

We agree on this. People should be enabled to vote, encouraged to vote, as long as they are entitled to vote. And since people will gladly lie about their status, then we all have to show ID.

[Weiss Pinguin]

I'm pretty sure when I went to early voting down here (Texas) I had to present ID of some sort

[SteamWake]

"Picture ID" is required to vote here in florida.

Its already stated so in the ballot so for this election cycle at least.

[Thomen]

It is not just the illegals you guys should be worried about. The legal aliens have far more opportunities to vote.

The only thing you have to show when you register to vote is some form of ID (usually drivers license). Here in Maryland, they will ask you every time you go to the DMV (or MVA) if you want to register to vote. They do not check your legal status, or if you are an alien or not. To obtain a drivers license you need a SSN. To get the SSN you need a work permit. No citizenship required.

When I had my drivers license renewed last month, they did ask me if I wanted to registered to vote. Of course I said no, but regardless, if I wanted to vote, I just need to say "Yes" the next time I am asked. And nobody would stop me.

EDIT:

I guess, my point is, a picture ID is pretty worthless, if it is not some kind of ID that is only available to US citizens.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Thomen

I To get the SSN you need a work permit. No citizenship required.

That is misleading. Yes you can get a SSAN if you have a work visa, but your records will be flagged to indicate that you are not a citizen to prevent you from registering to vote.

When you vote, you will notice that the election officer will look you up in a poll book. If you are in the poll book, your voting eligibility has already been established. This is why if you are not in the poll book, you will be issued a provisional ballot which will only be counted after your eligibility has been verified.

The eligibility is verified before election day.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Platapus

That is misleading. Yes you can get a SSAN if you have a work visa, but your records will be flagged to indicate that you are not a citizen to prevent you from registering to vote.

When you vote, you will notice that the election officer will look you up in a poll book. If you are in the poll book, your voting eligibility has already been established. This is why if you are not in the poll book, you will be issued a provisional ballot which will only be counted after your eligibility has been verified.

The eligibility is verified before election day.

If you records will be flagged, why do they still keep asking you? I highly doubt that any data that is based on the DMV records gets flagged in anyway. So far i was called up for jury duty twice, and they randomly choose the jurors here from the DMV register.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Thomen

If you records will be flagged, why do they still keep asking you? I highly doubt that any data that is based on the DMV records gets flagged in anyway. So far i was called up for jury duty twice, and they randomly choose the jurors here from the DMV register.

What are they asking you?

And you are correct, the eligibility information is not part of the DMV but part of your State Election Board, the registrar to be exact.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Platapus

What are they asking you?

And you are correct, the eligibility information is not part of the DMV but part of your State Election Board, the registrar to be exact.

To vote? Do you want to register to vote? Thats it. At this time the clerk already has my ID (drivers licence) in his hands.. They don't even ask for a Greencard or anything. Even, when I took the drivers test, or signed up for the licence I did not need to show a Passport, only my social security card and an envelope with my address.

For the jury duty? They send a letter telling you to be at the court house for jury selection at a certain date and time. On the backside of the letter is a questionnaire to fill out if you can not attend or not eligible.

Unless I tell them nobody except the DHS knows that I am not a citizen.

EDIT: Ok,to get more details, I looked it up.
I looked at the Federal and Maryland Voter Registration Forms, and neither requires a SSN, just an ID # that is valid and recognized in your state. For Maryland, your driver license number or state ID # is good enough. Unless, they flag the DMV/MVA records, I doubt there is a way to prevent me from registering and voting. Sure, if caught they may punish me. But that wasnt the question.

[Aramike]

I guess, my point is, a picture ID is pretty worthless, if it is not some kind of ID that is only available to US citizens.

It's not worthless ... we're not talking about proving your eligibility to vote here - that's done in the registration process.

What we ARE talking about is proving that you're the person who's actually registered to vote, and to me that's worth it's weight in gold.

[Platapus]

you bring up a good point. The procedures currently are geared toward punishing people who falsify the registration as opposed to preventing the falsification in the first place.

As I posted in the other thread, I am in favour of requiring citizens to demonstrate their citizenship when they register to vote. That would require the changing of at least three federal laws and the corresponding regulations. What are the chances of that happening in Congress?

Perhaps we need a National Identification Card... see how well that idea flies.

[nikimcbee]

So how does this work if your're in Chicago? That's racist against dead people!

[Aramike]

EDIT: Ok,to get more details, I looked it up.
I looked at the Federal and Maryland Voter Registration Forms, and neither requires a SSN, just an ID # that is valid and recognized in your state. For Maryland, your driver license number or state ID # is good enough. Unless, they flag the DMV/MVA records, I doubt there is a way to prevent me from registering and voting. Sure, if caught they may punish me. But that wasnt the question

Indeed, that happens all the time (it's different by state though). However, those voters are EASILY caught and the punishment is pretty harsh, at least here in Wisconsin.

The illegal voter that is IMPOSSIBLE to catch, on the other hand, is the one who claims he/she is someone he/she is not. In those cases, there are no paper trails whatsoever.

So in your case there is a deterrent to illegal voting. What deterrent is there in the case of someone who simply cannot be tracked at all?

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

So how does this work if your're in Chicago? That's racist against dead people!

Chicago's motto: Vote early, vote often.