Germany to Make Forced Marriage a Crime

Truthfully, who cares what happens in Germany? If the country gets too upity it will be slammed. Beyond that, it, Germany, is not a power and the opinions of its citizens mean very little.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

Truthfully, who cares what happens in Germany? If the country gets too upity it will be slammed. Beyond that, it, Germany, is not a power and the opinions of its citizens mean very little.

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

You are contradicting yourself and humanizing animals, that is very common these days but it is wrong.

Firstly, you are nitpicking on the use of the words "humanely" and "animal". Alright, I'll change it: "Because animals other than humans aren't able to kill in a painless and compassionate manner." Now I'm not "contradicting" myself anymore so please stop the nitpicking and move along.

Secondly, I'm not humanizing animals (see below). I'm just saying that we should avoid unnecessary suffering. And especially that muslims shouldn't have more rights than westerners (not less either, but also not more).

Are you serious? Its feelings?
This is the reason i have had an idea that killing and slaughtering animals should be a mandatory subject in school before our children are completely detached from reality.

Have you killed, slaughtered and eaten anything, ever?

Maybe I should have used a different word. I'm not talking about human feelings, as in emotions, but about basic, primal "feelings", e.g. pain, stress or fear.
I'm very aware that animals don't have much emotions besides these primal ones, so don't you worry about that and instead start answering my questions and discussing my points

[Happy Times]

Firstly, you are nitpicking on the use of the words "humanely" and "animal". Alright, I'll change it: "Because animals other than humans aren't able to kill in a painless and compassionate manner." Now I'm not "contradicting" myself anymore so please stop the nitpicking and move along.

Well you still are and im not trying to nitpick as i hate it myself.
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Maybe I should have used a different word. I'm not talking about human feelings, as in emotions, but about basic, primal "feelings", e.g. pain, stress or fear.
I'm very aware that animals don't have much emotions besides these primal ones, so don't you worry about that and instead start answering my questions and discussing my points

Humans arent animals and the method we kill our food has this narcistic moral relevance only to us.
But as methods go the Halal/Kosher method is more painless than many hunting techniques.
So again, i dont consider it immoral.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

Humans arent animals and the method we kill our food has this narcistic moral relevance only to us.

We aren't? We posess self-awareness and reason, but other than that exactly how are we not animals?

Too little too late.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

We aren't? We posess self-awareness and reason, but other than that exactly how are we not animals?

You consider that a small difference?

[Sailor Steve]

No, it's a huge difference. But underneath it we still have the same instincts and tendencies. We may be superior animals, but animals nonetheless.

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

No, it's a huge difference. But underneath it we still have the same instincts and tendencies. We may be superior animals, but animals nonetheless.

Exactly

Originally Posted by Happy Times

Humans arent animals and the method we kill our food has this narcistic moral relevance only to us.

The method we kill our food has a relevance to animals too. *They* are the ones that have to suffer pain.

Now if the pain were unavoidable, I wouldn't be against it. But the pain is avoidable and thus should be avoided.

But as methods go the Halal/Kosher method is more painless than many hunting techniques.

You've got a point there. But hunting is often necessary for protecting certain wildlife populations (here in the Netherlands, that's the only use of hunting that's allowed) (you could argue protecting wildlife by means of active human intervention shouldn't happen, but that's not the point of discussion here). And since it's very hard and cost-ineffective to hunt without hurting animals, the pain isn't really avoidable. So not comparable at all to bred animals that are killed in a controlled environment. Shooting a bullet through a cow's head isn't any harder or more expensive than slitting its throat and let it bleed to death.

This is a good tme for Germany to rise up and take what they wanted in 1939. it mwould be easy.

[Reece]

BERLIN - Germany's government on Wednesday proposed criminalizing forced marriage, a tradition that some Muslim immigrant families impose on their children, even ones who were raised in Germany's more liberal society.

Chancellor Angela Merkel's Cabinet agreed to a proposed law that would make forced marriage in Germany a crime that can be punished with up to five years in prison.

Agree 100%

[Platapus]

What exactly is a "forced marriage" and how does that differ from an "arraigned marriage"

What are the measurable elements of the crime of "forced Marriage"?

When it comes to writing laws, the devil is in the detail.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Platapus

What exactly is a "forced marriage" and how does that differ from an "arraigned marriage"

What are the measurable elements of the crime of "forced Marriage"?

When it comes to writing laws, the devil is in the detail.

Unless it's aranged between the bride and the groom every arrainged marriage should be forced mariage

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

This is a good tme for Germany to rise up and take what they wanted in 1939. it mwould be easy.

Can you be more specific, we find ourselves in 2010 and not 1939