Why Obama is so bad and why Europe loves him

[Gerald]

When Obama was elected, there were expectations of a different focus on the political stage, Europe found it quite interesting, but to say that all countries agree with his political message is to "throw stones in a glass cage"

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Well what I was saying is the US is seeing a regression freedom wise.We are still free , have a constitution but we are currently regressing in a sense, we will lose our liberties at some point.Our lack of freedom will be like pre revolution but with a somewhat socialist twist.Get it? So yes "Progressives" agenda is actually REGRESSIVE.

Ehm, no. Call it anything you want, but it is not regressive. For it to be regressive, it would have to have the desire to return to a previous state. Since the US has never in its history been Socialist, any "Socialist twist" can by definition not be regressive as it doesn't return to any previous state. You are confusing "regressive" and "bad" here.
Anyway, I don't want to be a language nazi so let's just keep it at this.

The problem with people like you and most Europeans, you do not understand the traditional American idea of individual rights. Personally, it is my RIGHT if I have the resources to purchase a new car in lieu of giving a stranger money and there is nothing wrong with that at all.I am spending MY money it is MY choice to decide if my new car is more important than another person's well being.Really it is not my job to worry about anyone elses well being other than my family and friends and only that to a point.Well, egocentric people are usually the most successful people so it's not a bad thing.

Are egocentric people successful because they are egocentric, or are they egocentric because they are successful?
As long as you're not egocentric towards your friends, being egocentric towards other people doesn't have too much effect on you

Anyway, I can agree with you that most Europeans don't understand the "American idea of individual rights". You Americans on the other hand do not understand the idea of community, caring for other people.


Also, I've got one really nice question for you: drugs.
How can it be that in the US, with its highly valued individual rights, an individual cannot decide for himself if he uses drugs or not. While in the "socialist" Netherlands where the government supposedly decides everything for you, you can?
One very enormous fail of these supposed individual rights in the US, don't you think?

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by Catfish

I'll give you Bavaria, as a giveaway

You mean Bavaria pilsener? For a lifelong supply of Bavaria I'll become a Capitalist right away!

Originally Posted by Catfish

Hello,
it's not even the biggest bullsh!t i ever heard, but it comes close. Italians voting for communists - right, this is why they have Berlusconi !

Sorry to Italy

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Originally Posted by XabbaRus

This is great. I'm being told I don't have the same liberties as say in the USA.

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Couldn't agree more with the both of you

[Aramike]

This is great. I'm being told I don't have the same liberties as say in the USA.

Where are you from?

It would be interesting to analyze this from a factual standpoint rather than rhetoric, but I need a base point to being.

[Aramike]

*Sigh*

Hello,
it's not even the biggest bullsh!t i ever heard, but it comes close. Italians voting for communists - right, this is why they have Berlusconi !

Pehaps you should check your history prior to assuming that what you want to believe is necessarily right.

...or do Europeans prefer to percieve the world as what they want it to be rather than what it is?

From Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Communist_Party

Outlawed during the Fascist regime, the party played a major part in the Italian resistance movement. It changed its name in 1943 to PCI and became the strongest political party of the Italian left after World War II, attracting the support of about a third of the voters during the 1970s. At the time it was the biggest communist party in the West (1.8 million members and 34.4% of the vote in 1976).

Now, please dispute this FACT before dismissing it out of hand.

...because, in fact, this is specifically what Morris was referring to. Or are we merely going to wish that it weren't so, state it in writing, and smugly expect the rest of the objective world to come around in agreement?

I hate to say it, but while I disagree in general with Bubblehead's conclusions, Europeans and their sympathizers, at least in this thread, are offering up no resistance whatsoever, and are rather busy patting themselves on the back for their "you must be kidding" responses which actually do nothing to factually refute the concepts Morris presents.

[GoldenRivet]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...n_an_idea.html

by at least 40 years at that.

[Bubblehead1980]

LOL nothing he says or does surprises me anymore really.Obviously he does not know his history very well.

[Gerald]

Like this statement puts his personality on the game, which I am not surprised at, now more anything can happen

[GoldenRivet]

Obama flaw #186

Does not believe in American greatness.

Did anyone notice how he couldn't at least choke out the "by our creator..." when he said "endowed with certain unalienable rights"?

[Gerald]

When was this interview?

[GoldenRivet]

it was just another blow hard address by a useless bird turd of a human being - I dont think it was an interview.

[Gerald]

Surely it was a bird that flew unusually wobbly, in the ether

[Sailor Steve]

While it's true the United States declared independence before Mexico did, the first permanent settlement on the North American continent was St. Augustine, founded in 1565. The first English settlement was Jamestown, founded 42 years later, in 1607.

Technically speaking, the Mexicans' ancestors had a city going here a generation before the Americans' ancestors did.

[ETR3(SS)]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

While it's true the United States declared independence before Mexico did, the first permanent settlement on the North American continent was St. Augustine, founded in 1565. The first English settlement was Jamestown, founded 42 years later, in 1607.

Technically speaking, the Mexicans' ancestors had a city going here a generation before the Americans' ancestors did.

Very true but those where Spaniards, not Mexicans. I think what is happening here is a different interpretation of the facts. Ask yourself this, if Mexicans weren't Mexican before September 16, 1810, does that mean that we were not Americans before July 4, 1776? Bottom line Obama is a politician speaking at the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. Politics as usual.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Very true but those where Spaniards, not Mexicans. I think what is happening here is a different interpretation of the facts. Ask yourself this, if Mexicans weren't Mexican before September 16, 1810, does that mean that we were not Americans before July 4, 1776? Bottom line Obama is a politician speaking at the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. Politics as usual.

Color it any way you like. The fact is that their ancestors were here before our ancestors.

I agree that Obama is just another politician, and not one I have any love for, but it seems to me that more and more this forum is filling up with far-right tripe hype, more and more ranting and less and less discussion.