French Senate votes to ban Islamic full veil in public

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by tater

Women dressing like this in the west are being impolite. Just as it is impolite for a westerner to wear immodest clothing in muslim countries, it is impolite to wear a face mask in the west. Oddly, they claim the goal is modesty (I think it is political), but women in such outfits get MORE attention. They don't disappear, they are screaming "look at me!"

So it should be legal, but they should be treated as the impolite people they are.

I agree with you on that, its indeed the same when westerners visit muslim countries, take Egypt for example (popular tourist destination) some westerners dress modestly, others go around in next to nothing, its down to inderviduals respect (or there lack of) for that particular culture.
In stricter muslim counties you might get in trouble for being inappropriatly dressed in some areas.
Now one way to look as France's ban is titt for tatt, but the other way to look at it, is that they are effectivly aspiring to adopt the very standards they reject.

A few years ago here in the UK a teenager was sent home from school for wearing a crusifix pendant (in case it might offend non christians.)
In this case over liberalsim just comes back around to fascism. Its like watching a snake eat its own tail.

Its all just so unbelivably petty and stupid. Some people just need to mind their own damn business and get on with their lives.

Don't go all fenian now Tchocky.

Banning means that the State takes away something at force of arms.

Wow another redefinition, you really are racking them up lately.

Parties being unacceptable is another matter.

What of the matter of membership of a political party being illegal?

[tater]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Don't go all fenian now Tchocky.




Wow another redefinition, you really are racking them up lately.

What of the matter of membership of a political party being illegal?

That's not a redefinition at all. Here, I ban anyone irish from being on the internet. Nope, I'm part irish, and I'm still typing, looks like it didn't work. To ban something, you have to have power.

Some church nuts can "ban" some books—maybe they're diiirty books. Whatever. Is the book banned? No, still there on the shelf in the bookstore, still a good seller on amazon.

Banning requires a state actor, and it has the power to take people's liberty or lives. Real banning is at the point of a gun, in other words.

Being "unacceptable" is a personal thing. Personal, not state. There is a difference, you know. It's not OK for the state to do some things that it IS OK for individuals to do—even if what they do is disgusting to most people. That's the point of limiting government power, while preserving individual liberty.

So you don't ban the burqua (though you can require "colorblind" standards for official pictures, what you can wear in airports, etc). Banning a hat is wrong.

The society at large, however, should treat people who chose to dress in a way that is reserved from criminals, or is making an explicit statement that the freedom of their own women is wrong and disgusting, with the disdain it deserves.

If a guy from New Guinea got off the plane and wandered around in naught but a penis gourd, he'd get funny looks and treatment, too.

That's not a redefinition at all.

It most certainly is.

You are still trying to avoid addressing the bannning parties fiction you used.

If a guy from New Guinea got off the plane and wandered around in naught but a penis gourd, he'd get funny looks and treatment, too.

Would the country have to introduce legislation to specificly address men from new guinea at airports due to public hyateria?

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Islam is not taking over the world, but perhaps mindless stupidity is.

+1 Couldn't have said it better myself.


Anyone remember ? Can we all take a step back and think about that for just a moment? We're screwing ourselves into a corner.

[STEED]

I am suspending my view of cheese eating surrender monkeys for kick ass we take no guff.

[tater]

Given continental beach clothing standards, I think france should repeal the burqa ban, and instead require that all women go topless on the beach. They could also have swimming as a mandatory part of school PE—and have that coed and topless, too.

I say debauch Islam out of existence!



(might be worth trying here, too )

We could just ban all clothes.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by tater

Given continental beach clothing standards, I think france should repeal the burqa ban, and instead require that all women go topless on the beach. They could also have swimming as a mandatory part of school PE—and have that coed and topless, too.

I say debauch Islam out of existence!



(might be worth trying here, too )

topless

[MH]

Do you really think that all women wear burqua because they want to?
What should came next biting up women in muslim quarters for not wearing one.
Some moderate muslim organization even supported the law as stupied as the law may seem.

[Skybird]

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[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Skybird

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Doing it wrong.

[Sammi79]

Originally Posted by STEED

I am suspending my view of cheese eating surrender monkeys for kick ass we take no guff.

Seconded. While IMO it is slightly over the top for a government to illegalise a form of clothing, it is at least an attempt to deal with the problem of integration of Islamic cultures within western nations. Full veils make people seem intimidating (granted not quite as bad as flak jackets and balaclavas) or at the very least unapproachable. In terms of modesty, well what's immodest about showing your face, if that's all you are willing to reveal. You may also consider colours other than black for your modesty garments as it is what people who have suffered a bereavement wear to signify mourning here.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Skybird

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LMAO!

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by MH

Do you really think that all women wear burqua because they want to?
What should came next biting up women in muslim quarters for not wearing one.
Some moderate muslim organization even supported the law as stupied as the law may seem.

so it feels natural to follow the laws and regulations adequately, and that means that if a ban is up, which in this case, I can not see that it is possible to ignore, regardless of the Religion in question, in this particular case the controversy is speaking for several reasons