Pastor weighing plans to burn Qurans amid U.S. warnings - Page 7

Dan D · 09-09-10, 02:16 PM

If the nutty pastor would be smart, he would now cancel the actual koran burning because he has already achieved a lot and probably more than he had dreamed of before he began his political protest: he has initiated a world-wide public debate about some important public issues.

That is quite a success.
For example it is interesting to see how people who argued for or against the “Ground Zero Mosque” now respond to the Koran burning issue. Some people may even rethink their position.

I am of course talking about the majority of people, those who are still standing on the middle ground and not about the extremists. There is no point in debating with extremists. They won’t change their opinion anyway because they are unable to listen.

AVGWarhawk · 09-09-10, 02:20 PM

Good point Dan D

Oberon · 09-09-10, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan D

If the nutty pastor would be smart, he would now cancel the actual koran burning because he has already achieved a lot and probably more than he had dreamed of before he began his political protest: he has initiated a world-wide public debate about some important public issues.

That is quite a success.
For example it is interesting to see how people who argued for or against the “Ground Zero Mosque” now respond to the Koran burning issue. Some people may even rethink their position.

I am of course talking about the majority of people, those who are still standing on the middle ground and not about the extremists. There is no point in debating with extremists. They won’t change their opinion anyway because they are unable to listen.

Correct answer!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11255366

Koran/Qu'ran burning is now off. I'm afraid it's back to boring old firewood.

Gerald · 09-09-10, 05:12 PM

which suggests an initially poor understanding, or was he trying to market to bring their Christian service,which he has partially succeeded, but when he plans next "promotion" for his services.

Btw thanks for posting Oberon!

Oberon · 09-09-10, 05:15 PM

No probs Vendor, I just noticed it whilst checking the 'Latest Headlines' on Firefox. It doesn't surprise me, it was a fifty/fifty whether he would go through with it and all the controversy that would arise or whether he'd brinkmanship it.

Alex · 09-09-10, 05:18 PM

@ Sammi : as we are mainly talking about religious belief and consequently are a bit off-topic currently, I suggest we switch to PM now.

BTW, you have one.

Zachstar · 09-09-10, 06:49 PM

Some are saying he simply said it is off the the center moves. ******* trump moved in offering to pay mega bucks for the site.

That version of terrorism will have won if that center moves at this point. That 50 member church will get bolder and bolder. For putting our troops at such direct risk they ought to be shot by the FBI as a "clear and present danger" not given what they want.

Platapus · 09-09-10, 07:33 PM

Well it appears that idiot-boy canceled his stunt. Too bad, I was looking forward to him being arrested for having a fire without a permit.

What a tool.

A 50 person bankrupt church.... Why did the media give his jerk any airtime?

mookiemookie · 09-09-10, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Some are saying he simply said it is off the the center moves. ******* trump moved in offering to pay mega bucks for the site.

That version of terrorism will have won if that center moves at this point. That 50 member church will get bolder and bolder. For putting our troops at such direct risk they ought to be shot by the FBI as a "clear and present danger" not given what they want.

Oh bullpucky. You know and I know they had a Constitutional right to burn those Korans. You have to realize stupid speech is still protected speech. We would be less of a nation if we trumped up some kind of false premise to raid or arrest them on.

You take the good with the bad, the smart with the stupid in allowing Free Speech. Let's focus on the bigger problems to our troops safety, like saying the end of combat has arrived, except we're keeping 50,000 combatants there.

Zachstar · 09-09-10, 08:54 PM

There is a BIG BIG BIG difference here.

Burning the Koran has NO positive effect. No political purpose. It is simply hate mongering. It has a DIRECT effect of putting our troops in danger they know this. They do not care therefore they are directly and willfully putting US Troops in danger.

That is Terrorism

mookiemookie · 09-09-10, 09:03 PM

We must agree, to disagree.

Ducimus · 09-09-10, 09:17 PM

Anyone catch this already?
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...716409,00.html

I saw it the other day on fark. I love Fark's headline on it:

Quote:

Islamophobe pastor Terry Jones ran a church in Germany...until they kicked him out. You know you're doing something wrong if even the Germans don't want to burn books with you

Gerald · 09-09-10, 09:27 PM

09-09-10, 09:56 PM

Quote:

When the U.S. Army burned Bibles in Afghanistan, no one said a word.

When churches burn around the world, crickets chirp. Burning Qurans in Florida is stupid and offensive, but so is the double standard.

When President Obama gave a speech at Georgetown University, a Catholic institution, he asked that all images and symbols representing Jesus Christ be covered so as not to be in the frame of any videos or photos of the event. There were no reports of rioting.
Nor did Christians riot when Christian U.S. Army soldiers attempted to hand out Bibles to Afghans in their native language. The soldiers were stopped, and the Bibles were confiscated and burned with the daily trash.

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnal...aspx?id=546667

Zachstar · 09-09-10, 10:45 PM

As I expected it has been reveled that the pastor is a liar and his claim that the community center moving is false.

They have no intentions to "barter" (Of course not you don't negotiate with terrorists)

The terrorist pastor now says he is "not sure" if he wont burn the books.

That pastor is a terrorist in my opinion you don't negotiate with terrorists. The FBI has a clear mission now in my opinion which is to neutralize him and any of his followers who attempt to carry out the action through arrest for force in my opinion.

It is clear now folks the FBI in my opinion CAN NOT let him carry out his terrorist threat so I as a citizen of the United States urge the FBI and the United States government to take action against this group of terrorists before they endanger innocent lives and soldiers.

09-09-10, 02:16 PM	#91
Dan D Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: 9th Flotilla Posts: 839 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	If the nutty pastor would be smart, he would now cancel the actual koran burning because he has already achieved a lot and probably more than he had dreamed of before he began his political protest: he has initiated a world-wide public debate about some important public issues. That is quite a success. For example it is interesting to see how people who argued for or against the “Ground Zero Mosque” now respond to the Koran burning issue. Some people may even rethink their position. I am of course talking about the majority of people, those who are still standing on the middle ground and not about the extremists. There is no point in debating with extremists. They won’t change their opinion anyway because they are unable to listen. __________________

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AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,305 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Good point Dan D __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

09-09-10, 05:12 PM	#94
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	"not the time" he says, which suggests an initially poor understanding, or was he trying to market to bring their Christian service,which he has partially succeeded, but when he plans next "promotion" for his services. Btw thanks for posting Oberon! __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

09-09-10, 05:18 PM	#96
Alex Dominant Wolf Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,143 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	@ Sammi : as we are mainly talking about religious belief and consequently are a bit off-topic currently, I suggest we switch to PM now. BTW, you have one. __________________

09-09-10, 06:49 PM	#97
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Some are saying he simply said it is off the the center moves. ******* trump moved in offering to pay mega bucks for the site. That version of terrorism will have won if that center moves at this point. That 50 member church will get bolder and bolder. For putting our troops at such direct risk they ought to be shot by the FBI as a "clear and present danger" not given what they want. __________________

09-09-10, 05:15 PM	#95
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	No probs Vendor, I just noticed it whilst checking the 'Latest Headlines' on Firefox. It doesn't surprise me, it was a fifty/fifty whether he would go through with it and all the controversy that would arise or whether he'd brinkmanship it.

09-09-10, 07:33 PM	#98
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,447 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Well it appears that idiot-boy canceled his stunt. Too bad, I was looking forward to him being arrested for having a fire without a permit. What a tool. A 50 person bankrupt church.... Why did the media give his jerk any airtime? __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

09-09-10, 08:54 PM	#100
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	There is a BIG BIG BIG difference here. Burning the Koran has NO positive effect. No political purpose. It is simply hate mongering. It has a DIRECT effect of putting our troops in danger they know this. They do not care therefore they are directly and willfully putting US Troops in danger. That is Terrorism __________________

09-09-10, 09:03 PM	#101
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	We must agree, to disagree. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

09-09-10, 09:27 PM	#103
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Really good, __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

09-09-10, 10:45 PM	#105
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	As I expected it has been reveled that the pastor is a liar and his claim that the community center moving is false. They have no intentions to "barter" (Of course not you don't negotiate with terrorists) The terrorist pastor now says he is "not sure" if he wont burn the books. That pastor is a terrorist in my opinion you don't negotiate with terrorists. The FBI has a clear mission now in my opinion which is to neutralize him and any of his followers who attempt to carry out the action through arrest for force in my opinion. It is clear now folks the FBI in my opinion CAN NOT let him carry out his terrorist threat so I as a citizen of the United States urge the FBI and the United States government to take action against this group of terrorists before they endanger innocent lives and soldiers. __________________