Pastor weighing plans to burn Qurans amid U.S. warnings

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Factor

I know it wont happen, but if it did, lets say, I will never doubt anything "couldn't" happen after 9-11.

+1.

The day political correctness died.

"Pastor", eh...
Actually, I'd say once you start proclaiming that you're a true believer, the forgiveness course is always the one to follow.

I'd like to know if any family member off the 2752 persons who died in the attacks on the World Trade Center feel anything else than mercy for this so-called "Pastor" who pretends to be righteous burning some book, whereas it's going to be no more than a public show of resentment.

Originally Posted by JU_88

Couldnt agree more.

That is just low, very provocative and can achieve no positive outcome, I dont think I've even heard of any radical muslims burning Bibles?
I know, they have burnt U.S British and Swedish flags to name a few, (flag burning is equally retarded tbh)

Man, I had never heard of these facts.
Sometimes I'm just happy to say that I almost don't watch TV, ROFL.

[tater]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Fact is, people are most concerned with what is going on in there own backyard before they worry about what happens abroad.
Look at your average news broadcast or paper, unless there is something huge going on, (war/terrorism/disaster.) Home affairs get reported first or on the front page, overseas stuff afterwards.

Now then, if a Western based Mosque was burning bibles, flags or whatever, you dont think that would stir up the same controversy?

Yes, probably. OTOH, Western mosques routinely give money or support to people who burn American flags all the time. They give money to people who danced happily in the streets to celebrate 9-11 (the day it happened). So they get a pass for outsourcing, I guess.

They are not sanctioned at all for it. Heck, they might get dinner at the WH.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Fact is, people are most concerned with what is going on in there own backyard before they worry about what happens abroad.
Look at your average news broadcast or paper, unless there is something huge going on, (war/terrorism/disaster.) Home affairs get reported first or on the front page, overseas stuff afterwards.

Obviously that is very different in the global Ummah. If something "anti-Islamic" is happening in let'S say Denmark, or America, then on the other side of the planet and all abroad crowds hystaericall yell in the streets "death to the West" and "Shariah law for Wetsern heretics" or whatever. Even the most unimportant scallywag (=Tunichtsgut) in a small village on the dark side of the moon thinks he must shout is anger and how ver ymuch offended he is intot he face of Earth, the sky above, and let all universe know.

the collective of theUmmha, the one and the only there is , works wonderfully when it is about opposition to islam (that'S why muhammad designed it as unified and totalitarian as it is). Just when their dear brither and sister in Islam are getting hit by lets say a natural disaster, all of a sudden the collective passivity and desinterst breaks out, since it is just the punishmenet by angry Allah and thus well-deserved. Let the stuoid Wetserners pay for it, and spend your money better on bulding more oques in the West, infiltrate the West with just more "culture centres", or even directly finance Islamic terrorism.

The attitude just falls short of an 'eye for an eye': aka: its ok because some muslims burnt stuff in the past.

I thiunk of it as "ater 50 years, finally let them taste their own medicine". What is sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander.

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Do most muslims burn flags and western documents or is just a handful of extreamist Idiots?[{quote]

Having attended rallies in Algeria, Egypt and Iran myself, I must tell you that on such occasions the enthusiasm for such things is grabbing streets and streets full of crowds.

When you burn a holy book or flag, you insult EVERYONE under that faith or nation.

and still we react not to them doing it in their countries, but in their half of the world they take it upon them to go ballistic when we do something in our home countries that is perfectly conformal with pour rules and habits.

Your problem Skybird is that you keep treating Islam as if it just one person.
Your view of "us and them" only tells me that your mentality is little different to the radicals you hate so much.

I treat islam as an ideology that educates people to behave aggressive, violent and barbaric, and to stay hilariously stupid at the same time. It is a brutal, aggressive ideology, it is not an ideology glorifying peace and freedom and tolerance. The totalitarianism in it aims at controlling human life absolutely, by dogma ruling and regulating every aspect of life - of the individual'S, of the family's, of the local community's, of the country, the global ummah. And if I check history against this, then I see history by a general trend confirming this since a thousand years. Due to it's totalitarian nature, unity is enfoced, and by nity comes strength and an incredible resistence. That'S why for example Turkey after decades of pretended secularism now falls back to the religious for whom politics and religion are just two words for one and the same thing: total, absolute control and patriarchalic power. Islam does not distinct between politics and religion, but it is more politics than it is religion; it slept a while, and now woke up and takes back the country - if it is not pushing Turkey into a civil war, which is a possible threat that indeed is a realistic option.

You could learn so very much by exmaining closely what is going in in turkey since the fundamentalists took over the government, and now step by step systemtically islamise it again. A good and recent report on it you can find here, by a Turkish author who is member of the (more and more obviously supressed) opposition while the society turns more and more into a surveillance state.

http://www.welt.de/debatte/kommentar...rue#reqdrucken

A lot can and must be learned from this coup d'etat that the AKP de facto has initiated, with the ultimate goal to erode and finally completely dismantle the heritage of Attaturk, and replacing democracy with a theocracy (I repeatedly said that Erdoghan even says that loud and clear, and this author also refers to him). Especially must be learned that it is not just one event, one day or one week of events, but a process of creepingly, slowly, silently taking over the country over years, absuing democracy and it's rules to legitimate newly institutionalised rule of islam and its values so that there will not be objections fom the stupid EU - and when it is installed, abandoning democracy. And this must be the wakeup call for the West, finally - becasue in Germany, England, the Netherlands, Sweden, also america (though currently lacking behind a bit), comparable developements are going on. The Eu calls on Turkey to cut back the constitutional role of the military which is the only thing standing between attaturk and theocracy. By doing so, the EU directly assists in establishing a Turkish theocracy.

Süper.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Vendor

A Florida church's threat to burn copies of the Koran to mark the September 11 attacks has been condemned by Hillary Clinton as "disrespectful" and "disgraceful".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...nton-says.html





Note:Published: 8:00AM BST 08 Sep 2010

and whats your point?

I rarely agree with Ms. Clinton but this is one of those times.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I treat islam as an ideology that educates people to behave aggressive, violent and barbaric, and to stay hilariously stupid at the same time. It is a brutal, aggressive ideology, it is not an ideology glorifying peace and freedom and tolerance.

I guess these muslims are uneducated then....
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/0...ding-with-911/

Seriously though, If thats your view mate then I feel sorry for you, end of story.
However, thanks for not posting a wall of selective Quaran quotes in your reply.

[Skybird]

What shall that link tell us?

Whatever, to define one statement with more precision, of course Muslim-born people can become educated, and clever. However, it is not that they have become that due to following the rules of sharia for becoming superior beings, or the enlightening wisdom of the Quran - but despite the Shariah and the Quran.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Skybird

What shall that link tell us?

Whatever, to define one statement with more precision, of course Muslim-born people can become educated, and clever. However, it is not that they have become that due to following the rules of sharia for becoming superior beings, or the enlightening wisdom of the Quran - but despite the Shariah and the Quran.

I'd worry more about what that statment shall tell us about yourself ^
but 'Whatever' indeed....

[Tchocky]

Saw this on the Daily Mash, made me laugh - http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/i...-201009083071/

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Saw this on the Daily Mash, made me laugh - http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/i...-201009083071/

lol - but very silly

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

and whats your point?

I rarely agree with Ms. Clinton but this is one of those times.

she should not have made any statement at all

Click "View Post" once on someone on ignore and what do I get?

Hello aramike, have you learnt what context means yet?

(By the way, that means YOU, in case the context manages to escape you as usual.)

Hey plenty of people pointed out that the statement you took issue with couldn't mean what you said it meant once it was placed in context.
Glad to see you're still in a hissy fit over it

Intellectual lightweight

[em2nought]

Easy solution - send Iran that which it seeks, but not in the particular way that it seeks it. Worked with Japanese, will work with Islam.

If we don't have the stomach to do that, then we should get out the region entirely and offer Israel a strip of land on our southern border. lol

What shall that link tell us?

Does it tell us that blacks ruin soccer or that jews must be converted to jesus?
Oh no. that would be your links Skybird

[mookiemookie]

I see it as the same thing as the mosque controversy. Just because it's a stupid idea, doesn't mean you don't have a constitutional right to do it.

It's only sowing more hatred into the world. I don't think that any Christian church should be doing that. But no one can stop him from doing so.

[Ducimus]

Guess the ole pastor's still going for it. Not backing down.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39048161..._news-security


Honestly, I don't see what the big controversy is. What i do see, is bible thumping christian's acting like they normally do. Where does the surprise and controversy part come in? This is normal behavior for these people. *shrug*