Insubordinate army doctor asks for court martial:

08-11-10, 01:14 PM

This guy needs to get his court martial and go to Levenworth.

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Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin is scheduled to be arraigned Friday at Fort Belvoir, VA and in all likelihood will either be sentenced to detention and/or given a dishonorable discharge from the military.

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August · 08-11-10, 02:21 PM

Hope they toss his butt in jail for a long time.

His whole argument is invalid. Even if he were right about Obama and I'm not saying he is, it makes absolutely no difference. He wasn't ordered to Afghanistan by the President. He was ordered to Afghanistan by his immediate Commander.

Platapus · 08-11-10, 06:29 PM

It would be a travesty if this guy gets off. His orders to AF did not come from the President, but came from his headquarters. We can not allow military members to decide whether or not to obey legal orders. Especially we can't allow officers to display cowardice in times of combat.

I want him to have a felony conviction on his record
Forfeit of all pay and benefits (kiss that retirement good bye)
Give him the Big Chicken Dinner (Dishonorable discharges can be complicated and are subject to review.)

I wish there was some way to yank his medical certification but I guess that's not allowed.

While I feel that a prison sentence is called for. Since he is showing cowardice by missing a movement in a combat situation, it would be nice if the military could hold him in prison for the duration of the war on terrorism.

But in any case, this is an crime that the military must make a strong statement about as it threatens the entire framework of the military services.

Ducimus · 08-11-10, 06:46 PM

Crap like this (and other things) makes me wonder what happened to us as a people. 10 years ago, this type of thing was unheard of, and especially not from an officer.

Platapus · 08-11-10, 06:49 PM

I disagree, we have had cowards in the military ever since the Revolutionary War. During the first Gulf War we had people bailing out when they got orders to SA.

These days there is just more coverage and viability. If this guy did not try to conceal his cowardice by trying to make this an "Obama thing", it would not get the coverage it has.

AVGWarhawk · 08-11-10, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

I disagree, we have had cowards in the military ever since the Revolutionary War. During the first Gulf War we had people bailing out when they got orders to SA.

These days there is just more coverage and viability. If this guy did not try to conceal his cowardice by trying to make this an "Obama thing", it would not get the coverage it has.

I would have to agree here.

Bubblehead1980 · 08-11-10, 06:56 PM

I'm slightly torn on this.This guy is standing up for what he believes in and can't blame him, taking orders from someone like Obama is blah.Then again, he's in the military and his job is to obey lawful orders of those above him, he doesnt need to be hung out to dry because he spoke up.an admin discharge would be fine.

Ducimus · 08-11-10, 06:59 PM

Well, when I was in, I never heard of such a thing. To me, it's utterly unthinkable. You relinquished your ability to choose the instant you signed the contract. You do what your told (lawfully), and you go where your sent. Period. The only choices this guy really had, was what to put down on his "dream sheet". Now, he is a malfunctioning piece of government property and needs to be put in his place. I'd love it if he had reduction of rank to Private Basic.. and thats just for starters.

AVGWarhawk · 08-11-10, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I'm slightly torn on this.This guy is standing up for what he believes in and can't blame him, taking orders from someone like Obama is blah.Then again, he's in the military and his job is to obey lawful orders of those above him, he doesnt need to be hung out to dry because he spoke up.an admin discharge would be fine.

Yes he does need to be hung out to dry. If not the next thing you know platoons of men are looking to do the same thing. Speaking up in the military only happens when you are asked to speak up.

AVGWarhawk · 08-11-10, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Well, when I was in, I never heard of such a thing. To me, it's utterly unthinkable. You relinquished your ability to choose the instant you signed the contract. You do what your told (lawfully), and you go where your sent. Period. The only choices this guy really had, was what to put down on his "dream sheet". Now, he is a malfunctioning piece of government property and needs to be put in his place. I'd love it if he had reduction of rank to Private Basic.. and thats just for starters.

I'm with on this one brother! Really, the guy probably enjoyed all the benefits of the mililtary. Three hots and a cot, etc. Now it is pay back time and he pulls this crap? Really?

Platapus · 08-11-10, 07:07 PM

If he really had a problem with Obama than he should have resigned his commission in Jan 2009. That would have been the honourable thing to do. But, he decided that it would be better to continue taking the government's money..... up until he had to go to a war zone and then all of a sudden he decided that this was an Obama thing.

That dog won't hunt.

This has little to do with Obama and so much to do with this jerk pooping his nappies when he got orders to the theater.

Ducimus · 08-11-10, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I'm slightly torn on this.This guy is standing up for what he believes in and can't blame him, taking orders from someone like Obama is blah.Then again, he's in the military and his job is to obey lawful orders of those above him, he doesnt need to be hung out to dry because he spoke up.an admin discharge would be fine.

Who the commander in chief is, is irrelevant. You don't have to like the man, but you do have to respect his position. Politics are not matters for the military. Not now, not ever. Regardless if this guy likes it or not, Obama is the President of the United States of America, and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, elected by the people of the United States. This LtCol, is a commissioned officer in the armed forces of the united states. Sworn to serve, and has a duty to perform. Period. There is no more to it.

And he does need to be hung out to try. Hell, he should be crucified (metaphorically speaking) This type of horsecrap cannot be tolerated in the military. The military is NOT a democracy. They need to make an example out of him because attitudes are contagious. Bad ones unchecked can undermine morale of entire units. Nobody should EVER follow this guys example.

Bubblehead1980 · 08-11-10, 07:12 PM

I understand your view and most people who have been in the military share that view.Honestly I mostly agree with you. but have some empathy since he is standing up for what he believes in and it concerns Obama.Obama may not have directly ordered him but his order for more troops prompted the order and he feels strongly that obama really has no right to do so.

I am by no means a birther but I feel some shady business was involved with the whole birth certificate thing.I want to see his original birth certificate, not a certified copy or some short form kept in state archives.The one I've seen just looks too new and clean to be almost 50 years old. My mother kept my original birth certificate, where is his? They never explained. I am not a birther though, he unfortunately prob is a citizen, wouldve been nice if he wasnt, he wouldnt have even made it into office.Anyway, that is beside the point.

The Captain feels so strong about this, he is willing to risk his military career, I feel he should be let out on admin discharge and sent on his way, no need to go overboard.I do agree he has no place in the military since he can't follow orders apparently.

Platapus · 08-11-10, 07:20 PM

Since when does motivation mitigate the sentence for commiting a crime?

I don't care if the Virgin Mary sent him a tweet asking him not to go.

He took an oath of military service upon his honour and he broke it. This man has no personal honour.

He had no problems accepting all the benefits of being a commissioned officer, but when he got orders to deploy to a war zone, all of a sudden he has moral issues?

The military does not work that way and can't work that way. I see nothing in this case that would be a rational for him getting an administrative discharge and keep his military benefits.

Besides, as I posted before, I doubt this has anything to do with Obama and everything to do with cowardice. He is just trying to elicit sympathy and distract the issue by using Obama as an excuse.

We all know that you don't like Obama, and that's your right. But does your dislike for Obama truly cloud your interpretation of this case?

Would you have had the same position if this happened under Bush during the Invasion of Iraq?

Ducimus · 08-11-10, 07:24 PM

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but have some empathy since he is standing up for what he believes in and it concerns Obama

No he's not. He's either a coward, or he's placed his own personal political opinions ahead of his sworn duty to country, and to his comrades. Turning his back on both for personal reasons. That is NOT deserving of empathy. If Obama was really an issue he should have resigned his commison awhile ago as Platapus stated.

08-11-10, 02:21 PM	#2
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hope they toss his butt in jail for a long time. His whole argument is invalid. Even if he were right about Obama and I'm not saying he is, it makes absolutely no difference. He wasn't ordered to Afghanistan by the President. He was ordered to Afghanistan by his immediate Commander. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

08-11-10, 06:29 PM	#3
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	It would be a travesty if this guy gets off. His orders to AF did not come from the President, but came from his headquarters. We can not allow military members to decide whether or not to obey legal orders. Especially we can't allow officers to display cowardice in times of combat. I want him to have a felony conviction on his record Forfeit of all pay and benefits (kiss that retirement good bye) Give him the Big Chicken Dinner (Dishonorable discharges can be complicated and are subject to review.) I wish there was some way to yank his medical certification but I guess that's not allowed. While I feel that a prison sentence is called for. Since he is showing cowardice by missing a movement in a combat situation, it would be nice if the military could hold him in prison for the duration of the war on terrorism. But in any case, this is an crime that the military must make a strong statement about as it threatens the entire framework of the military services. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right. Last edited by Platapus; 08-12-10 at 05:41 PM.

08-11-10, 06:49 PM	#5
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I disagree, we have had cowards in the military ever since the Revolutionary War. During the first Gulf War we had people bailing out when they got orders to SA. These days there is just more coverage and viability. If this guy did not try to conceal his cowardice by trying to make this an "Obama thing", it would not get the coverage it has. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

08-11-10, 07:07 PM	#11
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	If he really had a problem with Obama than he should have resigned his commission in Jan 2009. That would have been the honourable thing to do. But, he decided that it would be better to continue taking the government's money..... up until he had to go to a war zone and then all of a sudden he decided that this was an Obama thing. That dog won't hunt. This has little to do with Obama and so much to do with this jerk pooping his nappies when he got orders to the theater. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right. Last edited by Platapus; 08-12-10 at 05:42 PM. Reason: typo

08-11-10, 07:20 PM	#14
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Since when does motivation mitigate the sentence for commiting a crime? I don't care if the Virgin Mary sent him a tweet asking him not to go. He took an oath of military service upon his honour and he broke it. This man has no personal honour. He had no problems accepting all the benefits of being a commissioned officer, but when he got orders to deploy to a war zone, all of a sudden he has moral issues? The military does not work that way and can't work that way. I see nothing in this case that would be a rational for him getting an administrative discharge and keep his military benefits. Besides, as I posted before, I doubt this has anything to do with Obama and everything to do with cowardice. He is just trying to elicit sympathy and distract the issue by using Obama as an excuse. We all know that you don't like Obama, and that's your right. But does your dislike for Obama truly cloud your interpretation of this case? Would you have had the same position if this happened under Bush during the Invasion of Iraq? __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right. Last edited by Platapus; 08-12-10 at 05:43 PM.

08-11-10, 06:46 PM	#4
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Crap like this (and other things) makes me wonder what happened to us as a people. 10 years ago, this type of thing was unheard of, and especially not from an officer.

08-11-10, 06:56 PM	#7
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,100 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	I'm slightly torn on this.This guy is standing up for what he believes in and can't blame him, taking orders from someone like Obama is blah.Then again, he's in the military and his job is to obey lawful orders of those above him, he doesnt need to be hung out to dry because he spoke up.an admin discharge would be fine.

08-11-10, 06:59 PM	#8
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Well, when I was in, I never heard of such a thing. To me, it's utterly unthinkable. You relinquished your ability to choose the instant you signed the contract. You do what your told (lawfully), and you go where your sent. Period. The only choices this guy really had, was what to put down on his "dream sheet". Now, he is a malfunctioning piece of government property and needs to be put in his place. I'd love it if he had reduction of rank to Private Basic.. and thats just for starters.

08-11-10, 07:12 PM	#13
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,100 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	I understand your view and most people who have been in the military share that view.Honestly I mostly agree with you. but have some empathy since he is standing up for what he believes in and it concerns Obama.Obama may not have directly ordered him but his order for more troops prompted the order and he feels strongly that obama really has no right to do so. I am by no means a birther but I feel some shady business was involved with the whole birth certificate thing.I want to see his original birth certificate, not a certified copy or some short form kept in state archives.The one I've seen just looks too new and clean to be almost 50 years old. My mother kept my original birth certificate, where is his? They never explained. I am not a birther though, he unfortunately prob is a citizen, wouldve been nice if he wasnt, he wouldnt have even made it into office.Anyway, that is beside the point. The Captain feels so strong about this, he is willing to risk his military career, I feel he should be let out on admin discharge and sent on his way, no need to go overboard.I do agree he has no place in the military since he can't follow orders apparently.