Russia deploys missile system in Georgian territory

[Gerald]

Story,
Moscow, Russia (CNN) -- Russia has deployed a surface-to-air missile system in the breakaway Georgian territory of Abkhazia, the Russian air force commander said Wednesday.The S-300 system will help "ensure the security" of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, another breakaway territory in Georgia, Russian Air Force Commander Col. Alexander Zelin told journalists Wednesday, the Russian Air Force told CNN.It is also designed to protect the Russian military base in Abkhazia, a Russian-backed territory, he said.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/eu...ex.html?hpt=T2



Note:August 11, 2010 Updated 1324 GMT

[Schroeder]

Shouldn't they be more concerned about deploying fire brigades right now?

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Shouldn't they be more concerned about deploying fire brigades right now?

Just so I thought also

Is this Russia's way of saying attacks on Iran close to their territory is unwanted? Or to keep break-away Georgian airforces on the ground?

[Skybird]

Could only help to keep the Georgian warmonger from trying something stupid again like the last war he unleashed. In that region, I fear the Georgian madman more than Putin.

Also, it could be kind of a return for the US-Poland missile shield agreement.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Also, it could be kind of a return for the US-Poland missile shield agreement.

Naw missiles are just cheaper to keep on station that MiGs.

[Gerald]

A total of about 850 people were killed on all sides and untold numbers of others were wounded or left missing, a European Union fact-finding mission concluded last year.

Russia and Georgia each blamed the other for starting the conflict, though the EU mission said it was rooted in a "profusion" of causes.

Moscow has since recognized South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent regions.


http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/eu...ex.html?hpt=T2





Note:August 11, 2010 Updated 1521 GMT

[heartc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Could only help to keep the Georgian warmonger from trying something stupid again like the last war he unleashed. In that region, I fear the Georgian madman more than Putin.

Also, it could be kind of a return for the US-Poland missile shield agreement.

I just love how you goose-step 100% in line with most of the closet commies and former radicals from the 1968 movement, who are now sitting in the German press (ala your beloved Spiegel magazine), in condemning a small democratic republic for "their own fault" that it got bombed by Putin-Russia. At the same time, your Bader Meinhof-loving Spiegel buddies keep whining their hearts out for the poor suppressed Palestinians who get bullied by the evil Jooooos for doing nothing worse than blowing up a school bus or two occasionally, or chant Death to Israel.

God, when I see the megalomaniac bureaucracy apparatus that is the EU, lacking severely in accountability mechanisms towards its citizens, going all cozy on Putin Russia time and again, all together with a healthy dose of left wing Anti-Semitism - gets the hairs on the back of my neck standing up every time.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Vendor

A total of about 850 people were killed on all sides and untold numbers of others were wounded or left missing, a European Union fact-finding mission concluded last year.

Russia and Georgia each blamed the other for starting the conflict, though the EU mission said it was rooted in a "profusion" of causes.

Moscow has since recognized South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent regions.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/eu...ex.html?hpt=T2

Note:August 11, 2010 Updated 1521 GMT

This:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...615160,00.html


And this:

Originally Posted by Skybird

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...hlight=Georgia

An EU enquiry investigating the events of last summer's conflict between Russia and Georgia is shining an unfavorable light on Mikheil Saakashvili. A secret document may prove that the Georgian president had planned a war of aggression in South Ossetia.

(...)

According to information obtained by SPIEGEL, the television appearance by General Kurashvili plays a key role in the investigation. His remarks indicate that Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili was not repelling "Russian aggression," as he continues to claim to this day, but was planning a war of aggression.

This is because Kurashvili may have been quoting directly from Order No. 2 from Aug. 7, a Georgian document that could shed light on the question of who started the war. When the commission questioned the Russian deputy head of the general staff, Anatoly Nogovitsyn, in Moscow, he quoted from the very same Georgian order. According to Nogovitsyn, the document also contained the phrase "reestablishment of constitutional order." If the order, which Russian intelligence intercepted, is authentic, it would prove that Saakashvili lied.

The Georgian government still refuses to show the controversial decree to the commission. Officials in Tbilisi argue that they cannot do this because the document is a state secret.

(...)

But four days after the war began, when the Russian military had already driven the Georgian army out of South Ossetia and was only 50 kilometers (31 miles) from the capital Tbilisi, Saakashvili made the surprise claim that he had learned at 10 p.m. on Aug. 7 that the Russians planned to send 150 tanks through the Roki tunnel, which connects South Ossetia and North Ossetia, which is part of Russia.
At that point, he claimed, he had "no other choice." Suddenly it was no longer a question of liberation, but of self-defense.

In fact, the Georgian leadership, as Western observers noticed, had already amassed 12,000 troops and 75 tanks on the border with South Ossetia on the morning of Aug. 7. In a decree ordering a general mobilization, which was not published until Aug. 9, Saakashvili noted that the Russian troops had advanced through the Roki tunnel on Aug. 8, which was after the Georgian attack.
(...)
The EU representatives' investigations are already seen as politically sensitive in Tbilisi today, long before their official publication, because more and more former allies of Saakashvili are now blaming the authoritarian president for the war and calling for his resignation.
Irakli Alasania, the Georgian ambassador to the UN during the war in the Caucasus, has become the spokesman of the opposition. Alasania is respected as a serious politician by the Obama administration.

Saakashvili's adversaries include a former prime minister, a former foreign minister, a former defense minister and the former speaker of the parliament, Nino Burdzhanadze, who, together with Saakashvili, led the country's "Rose Revolution" in 2003.

Now Saakashvili's former comrades-in-arms want to mobilize the people once again. In a repeat of the events of six years ago, they want to stage a demonstration on Tbilisi's main thoroughfare, Rustaveli Avenue, calling for the ouster of the current president. For the Georgian opposition, the painstaking investigations of the EU enquiry come at a very opportune time.

And this:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...574812,00.html

there is no reason to an autopcratic dicator as a democratic libertarian. He lied and cheated the West and his own people, he secretly gave orders to launch a war of attack, he then hoped to drag the West and NATO into the quagmire he had created, he committed a war crime when ordering the nightly missile bombardement of civilian blocks that left scores dead in their beds, the local populations in the disputed zones have been suffering from massive Georgian discrimination and violent opression, sometimes even progroms, since historic times and until today, and Saakashvili has this very honest very democratic habit to send in the riot police when the democratic opposition demonstrates against him in the streets and accuses him of treachery against the Georgian people. Saakashvili may appear like a clown, but he is a dangerous, irrational, unscrupelous lying clown with plenty of blood on his hands already.

I can't believe that some people in the West still fall for this gangster. Even the EU - incompetent in it's foreign policies, usually - treats him like a pariah these days, on basis of it's findings. Not many western politicians have wanted to meet him in the past 18 months. He is avoided, and one should know by know why this is so.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Skybird

This:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...615160,00.html


And this:


And this:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...574812,00.html

there is no reason to an autopcratic dicator as a democratic libertarian. He lied and cheated the West and his own people, he secretly gave orders to launch a war of attack, he then hoped to drag the West and NATO into the quagmire he had created, he committed a war crime when ordering the nightly missile bombardement of civilian blocks that left scores dead in their beds, the local populations in the disputed zones have been suffering from massive Georgian discrimination and violent opression, sometimes even progroms, since historic times and until today, and Saakashvili has this very honest very democratic habit to send in the riot police when the democratic opposition demonstrates against him in the streets and accuses him of treachery against the Georgian people. Saakashvili may appear like a clown, but he is a dangerous, irrational, unscrupelous lying clown with plenty of blood on his hands already.

I can't believe that some people in the West still fall for this gangster. Even the EU - incompetent in it's foreign policies, usually - treats him like a pariah these days, on basis of it's findings. Not many western politicians have wanted to meet him in the past 18 months. He is avoided, and one should know by know why this is so.

either from you or me,we know what this man stands and get the whole thing is not so strange that it is making headlines.

[Oberon]

I got to admit, the Saakashvili-youth movement that seems to be springing up encouraging a rise of nationalism is rather concerning, but that's how it goes.

I expect one of those SAMs to knock down a Georgian aircraft within a month or two, because the Georgians will treat it as their airspace and the Russians will treat it as theirs.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I got to admit, the Saakashvili-youth movement that seems to be springing up encouraging a rise of nationalism is rather concerning, but that's how it goes.

I expect one of those SAMs to knock down a Georgian aircraft within a month or two, because the Georgians will treat it as their airspace and the Russians will treat it as theirs.

I concur but the Georgians will be extremely foolish not to have learned from the last lesson they were given.