Religious Poll

ryanglavin · 08-10-10, 11:15 PM

Hey friends,
I was just wondering, have we ever had a religious Poll on here?
And please don't start a flame war, its just a simple question

Takeda Shingen · 08-10-10, 11:20 PM

I don't think I've ever seen one on GT. Personally, I think the two worst things that you could possibly discuss on the internet are religion and politics, but a lot of people seem to like talking about the latter. I'm sure you would get a number of responses for the former.

nikimcbee · 08-11-10, 01:04 AM

God bless Joe Pesci

TarJak · 08-11-10, 02:13 AM

IIRC there was one a few years ago. And I'd say that the GT formum has had a reasonable run of religious as well as political discussions in its time.

Castout · 08-11-10, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

God bless Joe Pesci

He's right something is wrong something is ****ed up but he assumed that all those are God's fault. He assumed that God is the perpetrator of everything! Which God is not!

how come he that doesn't know ANYTHING about God could assume that God is the perpetrator of everything.

Do you know why Jesus taught Thy kingdom come . . . .Thy will BE done on earth as in heaven WHICH MEANS it doesn't always happen that way still on earth.

Not Thy kingdom preserved . . . . .

NOT the TIME YET. Sins is the root of this ****ed up world. Misery breeds misery. Anger breeds anger. Torture breeds torture.

Don't hate me over me commenting this. God is not responsible for much of our misery.

My life is in ruins my future is bleak my health is not good but I still can tell anyone I haven't seen anyone and anything greater than my God. Sure I'm upset why I couldn't be like everyone else and why would despotic people get attracted to me but like I said I haven't seen anything nor anyone greater than my God. Heck for all the enemies throw at me I could have a nation or two to befriend me had I wanted it(or a few others to kill me :P). Nothing is like God. Most of all God is always personal you must find God yourself no one can help you to it. More like until God decides that you must find Him.
My life in one word is PAIN. In fact I rather hate my life but what can I do I'm forever convicted with knowing God no matter how little or far in between.

Skybird · 08-11-10, 03:33 AM

@ Castout

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Is this thread really necessary? This forum is no missionising board or a board over confessions on personal fantasies one holds. Where there is no religious propaganda pushed into the public space, there no anti-religious people must feel provoked by being missionised and must not push their antireligious stuff into public as well - like Castout and me just have demonstrated: the one guy starts to preach, the other sends back a shot in reply. Peace is maintained, and everybody is still free to think what he wants in private, with the public space not needing to bother for either the one or the other. And that's how it should be in a secular society, with any kind of relgion there is and atheism as well. Keep your oh so precious convictions pro of contra to yourselves, where they belong. They belong nowhere else than to the inside of your mind. Nature, the world, the cosmos give nothing for them, and many people live here that do not want to need giving time and awareness for them either.

Play your radio at volume levels where you do not bother your neighbours.

I would simply lock this and similiar threads.

Castout · 08-11-10, 03:47 AM

@skybird I wasn't referring to picking up a religion.

What little I know about God is that

God is kind enough to actually love the people who don't know Him at all and powerful enough to literally change our heart. Generous enough to give without being asked, loving enough to give what was asked even when it was really ridiculous, still enough not to give everything that we asked, and strict enough to know that He is GOD such that we are reminded that we're never be on equal terms with God,

God I know is NOT MEEK. Never was, never is and never will be.

Herr-Berbunch · 08-11-10, 05:05 AM

According to Ninian Smart's respected definition of a religion, even football (either proper football or 'handegg'

) is a religion... including the wars!

08-11-10, 06:35 AM

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This forum is no missionising board or a board over confessions on personal fantasies one holds.

Says a man on a mission

antikristuseke · 08-11-10, 06:51 AM

This about covers my opinion on any and all religions

Skybird · 08-11-10, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Castout

@skybird I wasn't referring to picking up a religion.

What little I know about God is that

God is kind enough to actually love the people who don't know Him at all and powerful enough to literally change our heart. Generous enough to give without being asked, loving enough to give what was asked even when it was really ridiculous, still enough not to give everything that we asked, and strict enough to know that He is GOD such that we are reminded that we're never be on equal terms with God,

God I know is NOT MEEK. Never was, never is and never will be.

Fine. Must we be interested in your precious little sermon? Don't think so. Keep your fantasies where they belong - inside your head.

jumpy · 08-11-10, 07:45 AM

hehe funny links.

I always figured that god knew adam and eve were flawed beings (as he made them) and that they would not be able to resist temptation, so in their naivety, the test he set them to endure was beyond their nature to resist.
Doesn't seem like a fair thing to me; what's so loving and forgiving about a setting someone up for certain failure? For what?

That's pretty much the first thing I recall thinking about bible stories as a youngster.
That, and later on, comparative reading of classical greek literature reinforced my understanding of religion to be of earthly origin - essentially there's some very human qualities associated with god/gods, not because we are created in their image, but because man invented religion and peopled it with deities derived from what he knew about the world around him. The greek gods are good examples of this - a certain honesty to them that betrays their origins; capricious, constantly fighting amongst each other, *******, drinking and generally making life better or worse as they saw fit, for those mere mortals who dared to be noticed.

The practising of one's religion ought to be a private business, not some public organisation with a reputation for fallacy, trampling about the world getting up other peoples noses with its own hubris, as is often the case.
But that's only what I think.

NeonSamurai · 08-11-10, 07:57 AM

Lets step away from the sermonizing please.

UnderseaLcpl · 08-11-10, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Peace is maintained, and everybody is still free to think what he wants in private, with the public space not needing to bother for either the one or the other. And that's how it should be in a secular society, with any kind of relgion there is and atheism as well. Keep your oh so precious convictions pro of contra to yourselves, where they belong. They belong nowhere else than to the inside of your mind. Nature, the world, the cosmos give nothing for them, and many people live here that do not want to need giving time and awareness for them either.

The same could be said of many other subjects where people hold "convictions" and we talk about them. Besides, this is a forum where people are free to hold discussions within the established guidelines, including subjects that I'm sure you'd be happy to see absolutely no "time and awareness" devoted to.

In all fairness, you bring up Islam and why it is evil on a pretty regular basis, so you discuss religion too. What if we had a Muslim here who disagreed with your views for religious reasons, or idealogical reasons, or political reasons? Should such a discussion then be forfeit, simply because it involves religion? Should we all be happy then to let the both of you keep your opinions to yourselves?

Religion, including atheism, is a broad subject with far-reaching implications in the secular world. It affects the behaviour of people, the values they hold, and the societies they live in, and is in turn affected by the same. Banning discussion of it is no different from banning discussion of any other institution. Ergo, I feel anyone who wants to should be able to express their opinions on religion, especially in the course of making a point or describing a position they hold.

There can still be peace, so long as people play by the rules they're always supposed to be playing by and demonstrate respect for others.

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Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

Lets step away from the sermonizing please.

And on that note, I will point out to the fellow believers that sermonizing does you no good here, anyway.

NeonSamurai · 08-11-10, 08:31 AM

I don't think any of us have an issue with discussing religion in an intellectual and rational fashion. There have been several discussions on that. Also anyone is free to challenge Sky's views on Islam regardless of their own religious views, just as Sky is free to espouse his views. All provided they stay within the bounds of rational discourse.

What we do not need is sermons though. Sermons tend to go beyond the limits of rationality (ie logically demonstrable or provable) and intellectualism. Bluntly put they go into the realm of fantasy; of pure hypothesis without any physical backing. This is the realm of faith and belief. This is also the area where people tend to get very angry if their beliefs are challenged. It is pointless to discuss such stuff as the debate will go nowhere, the believer will continue to believe no matter how much rational counter evidence is provided, and both parties will get upset in the end. That and I have to say that I strongly dislike when others insist on throwing their religious beliefs in my face. I don't care what you believe in, just don't expect me to believe it too just because you do. I also do not like organized religion as I think it generally causes far more harm than good.

That said, if you choose to believe in God, Jesus, Muhammad, the tooth fairy, the flying spaghetti monster, or the invisible pink unicorn in the sky. I am happy for you, believe it all you want if it helps you.

08-10-10, 11:15 PM	#1
ryanglavin Samurai Navy Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Evading that Hunter/Killer Group on my Tail Posts: 584 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Religious Poll Hey friends, I was just wondering, have we ever had a religious Poll on here? And please don't start a flame war, its just a simple question __________________

08-11-10, 01:04 AM	#3
nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	God bless Joe Pesci __________________

08-11-10, 03:33 AM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	@ Castout ======== Is this thread really necessary? This forum is no missionising board or a board over confessions on personal fantasies one holds. Where there is no religious propaganda pushed into the public space, there no anti-religious people must feel provoked by being missionised and must not push their antireligious stuff into public as well - like Castout and me just have demonstrated: the one guy starts to preach, the other sends back a shot in reply. Peace is maintained, and everybody is still free to think what he wants in private, with the public space not needing to bother for either the one or the other. And that's how it should be in a secular society, with any kind of relgion there is and atheism as well. Keep your oh so precious convictions pro of contra to yourselves, where they belong. They belong nowhere else than to the inside of your mind. Nature, the world, the cosmos give nothing for them, and many people live here that do not want to need giving time and awareness for them either. Play your radio at volume levels where you do not bother your neighbours. I would simply lock this and similiar threads. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 08-11-10 at 03:47 AM.

08-11-10, 03:47 AM	#7
Castout Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 4,794 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 6	@skybird I wasn't referring to picking up a religion. What little I know about God is that God is kind enough to actually love the people who don't know Him at all and powerful enough to literally change our heart. Generous enough to give without being asked, loving enough to give what was asked even when it was really ridiculous, still enough not to give everything that we asked, and strict enough to know that He is GOD such that we are reminded that we're never be on equal terms with God, God I know is NOT MEEK. Never was, never is and never will be. __________________ My blog: http://exposingsingapore.wordpress.com/ Last edited by Castout; 08-11-10 at 04:12 AM.

08-11-10, 05:05 AM	#8
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	According to Ninian Smart's respected definition of a religion, even football (either proper football or 'handegg' ) is a religion... including the wars! __________________

08-10-10, 11:20 PM	#2
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I don't think I've ever seen one on GT. Personally, I think the two worst things that you could possibly discuss on the internet are religion and politics, but a lot of people seem to like talking about the latter. I'm sure you would get a number of responses for the former.

08-11-10, 02:13 AM	#4
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	IIRC there was one a few years ago. And I'd say that the GT formum has had a reasonable run of religious as well as political discussions in its time.

08-11-10, 06:51 AM	#10
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	This about covers my opinion on any and all religions

08-11-10, 07:45 AM	#12
jumpy Admiral Join Date: May 2003 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 2,139 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	hehe funny links. I always figured that god knew adam and eve were flawed beings (as he made them) and that they would not be able to resist temptation, so in their naivety, the test he set them to endure was beyond their nature to resist. Doesn't seem like a fair thing to me; what's so loving and forgiving about a setting someone up for certain failure? For what? That's pretty much the first thing I recall thinking about bible stories as a youngster. That, and later on, comparative reading of classical greek literature reinforced my understanding of religion to be of earthly origin - essentially there's some very human qualities associated with god/gods, not because we are created in their image, but because man invented religion and peopled it with deities derived from what he knew about the world around him. The greek gods are good examples of this - a certain honesty to them that betrays their origins; capricious, constantly fighting amongst each other, *******, drinking and generally making life better or worse as they saw fit, for those mere mortals who dared to be noticed. The practising of one's religion ought to be a private business, not some public organisation with a reputation for fallacy, trampling about the world getting up other peoples noses with its own hubris, as is often the case. But that's only what I think. __________________ when you’ve been so long in the desert, any water, no matter how brackish, looks like life

08-11-10, 07:57 AM	#13
NeonSamurai Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Socialist Republic of Kanadia Posts: 3,044 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Lets step away from the sermonizing please. __________________ SH3 Newbie Guide Links and other helpfull stuff

08-11-10, 08:31 AM	#15
NeonSamurai Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Socialist Republic of Kanadia Posts: 3,044 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	I don't think any of us have an issue with discussing religion in an intellectual and rational fashion. There have been several discussions on that. Also anyone is free to challenge Sky's views on Islam regardless of their own religious views, just as Sky is free to espouse his views. All provided they stay within the bounds of rational discourse. What we do not need is sermons though. Sermons tend to go beyond the limits of rationality (ie logically demonstrable or provable) and intellectualism. Bluntly put they go into the realm of fantasy; of pure hypothesis without any physical backing. This is the realm of faith and belief. This is also the area where people tend to get very angry if their beliefs are challenged. It is pointless to discuss such stuff as the debate will go nowhere, the believer will continue to believe no matter how much rational counter evidence is provided, and both parties will get upset in the end. That and I have to say that I strongly dislike when others insist on throwing their religious beliefs in my face. I don't care what you believe in, just don't expect me to believe it too just because you do. I also do not like organized religion as I think it generally causes far more harm than good. That said, if you choose to believe in God, Jesus, Muhammad, the tooth fairy, the flying spaghetti monster, or the invisible pink unicorn in the sky. I am happy for you, believe it all you want if it helps you. __________________ SH3 Newbie Guide Links and other helpfull stuff