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Moeceefus · 08-06-10, 03:07 AM

China's carrier killers. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100805/...carrier_killer

papa_smurf · 08-06-10, 04:07 AM

Could be an end to the USA's carrier dominance. We can help tho, all they have to do is purchase some Type 45's from us

Raptor1 · 08-06-10, 06:13 AM

Eh, didn't long range anti-ship missiles with enough accuracy to hit single ships exist for decades already?

Oberon · 08-06-10, 07:56 AM

The Kitchen ASM comes to mind, as well as our friends the Stallion, Sunburn, and Shipwreck. All of which could pose a concern to a carrier group, particularly if swarm launched.

Still, Jack Ryan will be along in a bit to give us the low down on what makes the Dong Feng so special.

EDIT:

Wait...wait a minute...

The Dong Feng is a ballistic missile?

Raptor1 · 08-06-10, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

The Dong Feng is a ballistic missile?

Well, that explains a lot.

Though I don't think it's as much as an ultimate CVBG-killing weapon as they make it out to be. It is completely dependent on satellites for guidance, and it's bound to be less reliable than usual ASMs at least at this point. There are also ways to shoot down a ballistic missile from a ship nowadays, so a CVBG is not completely defenceless against it.

Oberon · 08-06-10, 08:37 AM

Indeed, the AEGIS system can hit a Ballistic missile IIRC, so the CVBG has that covered, unless of course they employ the same techniques as the Soviets would have with their ASMs (what do we call the Dong Feng anyway...an ASBM?) and swarm launch them. AEGIS could take out four or five but one or two would still get through and from the angle of approach they would screw the flight deck if they hit, thus putting the carrier out of useful action.

Not an all powerful weapon, but still an interesting approach to the problem of circumnavigating CVBG defences.

TLAM Strike · 08-06-10, 08:47 AM

I see Oberon triggered the TLAM Signal again...

Yes the DF is a Ballistic missile.

Raptor1 is on the right track, it has limitations.

But it is still a little better than conventional air or ship launched missiles. For example its range is fantastic. There are only a few weapons that can engage it- all the fighters and "normal" SAMs in the CSG have no ABM capability. Physical decoys can be carried in large numbers perhaps dozens. Finally its launchers are well hidden and out of range of attack.

Its disadvantages include that it must be radar guided. Its screaming though the atmosphere so its going to get real hot precluding use of an IR seeker. I disagree with Raptor1 on that it needs a Satellite for guidance, a radar emitter could be included in each warhead. OTH targeting is a requirement- shoot that down (Plane or Sat) and these missiles are useless.

EDIT: Yes DF is an ASBM

HundertzehnGustav · 08-06-10, 03:31 PM

Scheiiiissseeee!!!!!

Alaaaarrmmm!!!

wheres them new US lazer Gunz?

UnderseaLcpl · 08-06-10, 04:52 PM

Ok, here's a question from the comms guy:

If the Dong Thing has on-board radar guidance, and it's target is a fast ship surrounded by other ships that have nuclear power plants on board, wouldn't the simplest solution be to just render it unguided by using EMI? Barrage jamming from multiple sources if the Dang Thang has a freq-hopper. I would think that with the power those nukes must put out, you could jam Spaceball One from here.

Sailor Steve · 08-06-10, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

...the Dong Thing...

"Captain, they shot a Dong Thing at us!"

"We're humped..."

frau kaleun · 08-06-10, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

"Captain, they shot a Dong Thing at us!"

"We're humped..."

Is this where all those little u-boats with or without periscopes come from?

I always thought Onkel Karl found them in his cabbage patch.

TLAM Strike · 08-06-10, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

Scheiiiissseeee!!!!!

Alaaaarrmmm!!!

wheres them new US lazer Gunz?

Well if the warhead is spinning like a football (a proper American football) the laser becomes less effective. There is also the possibility of the PRC mounting some sort of ablative armor on the warhead.

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Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Ok, here's a question from the comms guy:

If the Dong Thing has on-board radar guidance, and it's target is a fast ship surrounded by other ships that have nuclear power plants on board, wouldn't the simplest solution be to just render it unguided by using EMI? Barrage jamming from multiple sources if the Dang Thang has a freq-hopper. I would think that with the power those nukes must put out, you could jam Spaceball One from here.

Possible, very possible in fact.

Playing the PRC side here, there are a few possible counter measures. Big olde Numuro Uno in my book is home on jam. Only nuc surface ships in the USN are Carriers. If the carrier is the one jamming and the attacking weapon has HOJ capability its kind of self defeating. If its the CG and DDGs jamming those get taken out and the next wave of Dong Thongs kills the carrier.

frau kaleun · 08-06-10, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Well if the warhead is spinning like a football (a proper American football) the laser becomes less effective. There is also the possibility of the PRC mounting some sort of ablative armor on the warhead.

Possible, very possible in fact.

Playing the PRC side here, there are a few possible counter measures. Big olde Numuro Uno in my book is home on jam. Only nuc surface ships in the USN are Carriers. If the carrier is the one jamming and the attacking weapon has HOJ capability its kind of self defeating. If its the CG and DDGs jamming those get taken out and the next wave of Dong Thongs kills the carrier.

Sorry, I think we've moved on to dong jokes now, a move of which I heartily approve, since pretty much everything else in this thread makes me feel like a monkey looking at the back of a watch.

TLAM Strike · 08-06-10, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Sorry, I think we've moved on to dong jokes now, a move of which I heartily approve, since pretty much everything else in this thread makes me feel like a monkey looking at the back of a watch.

Hay I said Dong Thong in my post. Doesn't that count as a funny?

frau kaleun · 08-06-10, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Hay I said Dong Thong in my post. Doesn't that count as a funny?

That was the only thing I understood!

It's a banana hammock that gives you a wedgie, amirite?

Edit: I predict that if this thread goes on long enough, "Dong Thing" will morph completely into "King Kong," at which point someone will log in after a prolonged absence, read the last couple of posts, and think the OP was talking about the Chinese military breeding giant killer water-gorillas.

08-06-10, 03:07 AM	#1
Moeceefus 中国水兵 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: New York Posts: 278 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Made in China China's carrier killers. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100805/...carrier_killer

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papa_smurf Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2,851 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Could be an end to the USA's carrier dominance. We can help tho, all they have to do is purchase some Type 45's from us __________________

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Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Eh, didn't long range anti-ship missiles with enough accuracy to hit single ships exist for decades already? __________________ Current Eastern Front status: Probable Victory

08-06-10, 08:47 AM	#7
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	I see Oberon triggered the TLAM Signal again... Yes the DF is a Ballistic missile. Raptor1 is on the right track, it has limitations. But it is still a little better than conventional air or ship launched missiles. For example its range is fantastic. There are only a few weapons that can engage it- all the fighters and "normal" SAMs in the CSG have no ABM capability. Physical decoys can be carried in large numbers perhaps dozens. Finally its launchers are well hidden and out of range of attack. Its disadvantages include that it must be radar guided. Its screaming though the atmosphere so its going to get real hot precluding use of an IR seeker. I disagree with Raptor1 on that it needs a Satellite for guidance, a radar emitter could be included in each warhead. OTH targeting is a requirement- shoot that down (Plane or Sat) and these missiles are useless. EDIT: Yes DF is an ASBM __________________

08-06-10, 03:31 PM	#8
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	Scheiiiissseeee!!!!! Alaaaarrmmm!!! wheres them new US lazer Gunz? __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

08-06-10, 07:56 AM	#4
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	The Kitchen ASM comes to mind, as well as our friends the Stallion, Sunburn, and Shipwreck. All of which could pose a concern to a carrier group, particularly if swarm launched. Still, Jack Ryan will be along in a bit to give us the low down on what makes the Dong Feng so special. EDIT: Wait...wait a minute... The Dong Feng is a ballistic missile?

08-06-10, 08:37 AM	#6
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Indeed, the AEGIS system can hit a Ballistic missile IIRC, so the CVBG has that covered, unless of course they employ the same techniques as the Soviets would have with their ASMs (what do we call the Dong Feng anyway...an ASBM?) and swarm launch them. AEGIS could take out four or five but one or two would still get through and from the angle of approach they would screw the flight deck if they hit, thus putting the carrier out of useful action. Not an all powerful weapon, but still an interesting approach to the problem of circumnavigating CVBG defences.

08-06-10, 04:52 PM	#9
UnderseaLcpl Silent Hunter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Storming the beaches! Posts: 4,254 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Ok, here's a question from the comms guy: If the Dong Thing has on-board radar guidance, and it's target is a fast ship surrounded by other ships that have nuclear power plants on board, wouldn't the simplest solution be to just render it unguided by using EMI? Barrage jamming from multiple sources if the Dang Thang has a freq-hopper. I would think that with the power those nukes must put out, you could jam Spaceball One from here. __________________ I stole this sig from Task Force Last edited by UnderseaLcpl; 08-06-10 at 05:25 PM.