[UNCOVERED] SH5 officially left for dead!

[Gezoes]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

That is a terrible comparison. Even the most meagre of first-person shooters or flight simulators will outsell the greatest of submarine simulations. Respect and effort have nothing to do with it.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Agreed. Subject plays a large part in sales.

True, but the man still has a point. Any good simulation/game should never alienate its roots or core fan base, especially if it's very small and very loyal. IL2 never did that, neither did the highly unstable ARMA, both with outdated graphics. That alone would usually hamper sales in their large fanbase. It didn't, because the old gameplay is still there, and things were added instead of fan favorites taken out.

It doesn't really have much to do with sales and or a small/huge fanbase. It's happens primarily when a publisher pushes the dev team of a small title, that unfortunately happens to be under an umbrella that doesn't need them to fair well. It does that with its big titles, hence they get more time, money and corporate patience. I'm sure the devs would have liked to give us the ultimate reincarnation of SH3, so I can't really blame them, I blame UBI for that. And DRM ofcourse.

[Catfish]

Hello,
i like submarine simulators, the dev team and the Silent hunter series, even if i gave SH5 back (and did not buy it again) due to "Uplay" and the fulltime online requirement ()
But what companies nowadays expect and demand from their "customers" stinks to the heavens, it's even worse with "RoF".

What was funny is that when i gave the sim back, there was no problem at all, instead the trader in the small shop said that there were more than 20 SH5 sims already given back to him ! I wonder whether such things appear in the official statistics lol.

But you know what ? I found out i do not really need SH5 or PC games, especially if it's more a hazzle than fun. There are a lot more things to really do in this life, really
So go on companies, make it harder and more uncomfortable until no one buys your stuff any more. Understand i do not wish you luck,

Catfish

[Drifter]

Hey everyone, it's basically over for SH5. The funeral has ended. It's time to move on. There won't be any more official patches. And modders won't be able to fix most of the hard-coded problems that still exist. And for some strange reason, the powers that be around here will defend this dead duck called Silent Hunter 5 until the bitter end. I wonder why.

A pig with lipstick is still a pig.

[Nisgeis]

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by Drifter

Hey everyone, it's basically over for SH5. The funeral has ended. It's time to move on. There won't be any more official patches. And modders won't be able to fix most of the hard-coded problems that still exist. And for some strange reason, the powers that be around here will defend this dead duck called Silent Hunter 5 until the bitter end. I wonder why.

A pig with lipstick is still a pig.

Yup. That's what they said about 688i: Hunter Killer. Until some members of Subsim came together to get the develpers to release patches that fixed most of the problems.

Yup. That's exactly what they said about the multiplayer aspect of Sh2. Until some members of Subsim came together and, with Neal's financial help, fixed it.

Perhaps I can help you with your wondering. No one around here is defending Sh5. However, some of the people here see the potential and are trying to do something positive to try and fix it. If we are able to get an official patch... great. if we can't then the modders here have already fixed most of the real issues.

Some people here believe that if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. They not only believe it, they put their time, their considerable talent and tons of effort into it.

But thanks for your opinion.

JCC

[SteelViking]

Originally Posted by John Channing

Yup. That's what they said about 688i: Hunter Killer. Until some members of Subsim came together to get the develpers to release patches that fixed most of the problems.

Yup. That's exactly what they said about the multiplayer aspect of Sh2. Until some members of Subsim came together and, with Neal's financial help, fixed it.

Perhaps I can help you with your wondering. No one around here is defending Sh5. However, some of the people here see the potential and are trying to do something positive to try and fix it. If we are able to get an official patch... great. if we can't then the modders here have already fixed most of the real issues.

Some people here believe that if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. They not only believe it, they put their time, their considerable talent and tons of effort into it.

But thanks for your opinion.

JCC

Well said.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by John Channing

Yup. That's what they said about 688i: Hunter Killer. Until some members of Subsim came together to get the develpers to release patches that fixed most of the problems.

Yup. That's exactly what they said about the multiplayer aspect of Sh2. Until some members of Subsim came together and, with Neal's financial help, fixed it.

Perhaps I can help you with your wondering. No one around here is defending Sh5. However, some of the people here see the potential and are trying to do something positive to try and fix it. If we are able to get an official patch... great. if we can't then the modders here have already fixed most of the real issues.

Some people here believe that if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. They not only believe it, they put their time, their considerable talent and tons of effort into it.

But thanks for your opinion.

JCC

Yes. That is what makes SubSim as great as it is. Where others complain and deride, our members work to solve, to repair, to overcome. I couldn't imagine this community simply giving up and moving on. We only spite ourselves.

For the individuals who come to complain, say 'nay' and accuse us of dishonesty and foolhardy support, I tell you that Silent Hunter 5 will get there. We are hoping it will do so with UbiSoft's support. However, this community will do it with or without; they always find a way. It is what makes them great. It is why people come here. And when they do get results, and you come back to sheepishly download their mods, we won't put our fingers in your face and belittle you, as you have done us; we're better than that. But you will know, and so will we.

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Yes. That is what makes SubSim as great as it is. Where others complain and deride, our members work to solve, to repair, to overcome. I couldn't imagine this community simply giving up and moving on. We only spite ourselves.

For the individuals who come to complain, say 'nay' and accuse us of dishonesty and foolhardy support, I tell you that Silent Hunter 5 will get there. We are hoping it will do so with UbiSoft's support. However, this community will do it with or without; they always find a way. It is what makes them great. It is why people come here. And when they do get results, and you come back to sheepishly download their mods, we won't put our fingers in your face and belittle you, as you have done us; we're better than that. But you will know, and so will we.

+100 great post that sums up Subsim for the members who aren't already aware just what being a part of this community means.

[Sailor Steve]

John, you left out SH3, which truly has been officially dead for almost half a decade now, yet is still being made better almost daily. Yes, it is more complete at its core than any of the others, and its true there have only been two patches for SH5, but that doesn't mean there won't be another. And, contrary to the negative opinions, those with the ability to do so are exploring the secrets of the coding the devs left for them to use.

Negativity, believe it or not, is always welcome, as long as it's openly debated and not just an insult. Has anyone else noticed that the people saying the SH5 is dead, including the OP, have made that claim once and then not had the fortitude, or the graciousness, to stick around and discuss it. To steal a great quote "It's only mostly dead, not all dead."

Originally Posted by Drifter

It's time to move on.

To what? Anything helpful to offer, or just insults?

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

...And when they do get results, and you come back to sheepishly download their mods, we won't put our fingers in your face and belittle you, as you have done us; we're better than that.

Speak for yourself! I'm keepin' a list of names!



JCC

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Negativity, believe it or not, is always welcome, as long as it's openly debated and not just an insult. "

A very wise man I have the good fortune to work with once said that skepticism is healthy in that it can lead to honest debate that can inform a better outcome.

Cynicism, on the other hand, is fatal

Been a whole lot of cynicism of late.

JCC

[Méo]

Originally Posted by John Channing

Yup. That's what they said about 688i: Hunter Killer. Until some members of Subsim came together to get the develpers to release patches that fixed most of the problems.

Yup. That's exactly what they said about the multiplayer aspect of Sh2. Until some members of Subsim came together and, with Neal's financial help, fixed it.

Perhaps I can help you with your wondering. No one around here is defending Sh5. However, some of the people here see the potential and are trying to do something positive to try and fix it. If we are able to get an official patch... great. if we can't then the modders here have already fixed most of the real issues.

Some people here believe that if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. They not only believe it, they put their time, their considerable talent and tons of effort into it.

But thanks for your opinion.

JCC

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Yes. That is what makes SubSim as great as it is. Where others complain and deride, our members work to solve, to repair, to overcome. I couldn't imagine this community simply giving up and moving on. We only spite ourselves.

For the individuals who come to complain, say 'nay' and accuse us of dishonesty and foolhardy support, I tell you that Silent Hunter 5 will get there. We are hoping it will do so with UbiSoft's support. However, this community will do it with or without; they always find a way. It is what makes them great. It is why people come here. And when they do get results, and you come back to sheepishly download their mods, we won't put our fingers in your face and belittle you, as you have done us; we're better than that. But you will know, and so will we.

Very well said! Gentlemen.

[elanaiba]

Originally Posted by John Channing

A very wise man I have the good fortune to work with once said that skepticism is healthy in that it can lead to honest debate that can inform a better outcome.

Cynicism, on the other hand, is fatal

Hmmm, I have to make a note of that. I often surprise myself as being skeptical.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Yes. That is what makes SubSim as great as it is. Where others complain and deride, our members work to solve, to repair, to overcome. I couldn't imagine this community simply giving up and moving on. We only spite ourselves.

For the individuals who come to complain, say 'nay' and accuse us of dishonesty and foolhardy support, I tell you that Silent Hunter 5 will get there. We are hoping it will do so with UbiSoft's support. However, this community will do it with or without; they always find a way. It is what makes them great. It is why people come here. And when they do get results, and you come back to sheepishly download their mods, we won't put our fingers in your face and belittle you, as you have done us; we're better than that. But you will know, and so will we.

^^

All our troubles will be over when the final patch is released.
Here's an insiders leak of the process so far.