Homeopathy

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by STEED

Never believed it, never will.

Any one for herbal tea?

Depends on the health issue. In some cases, herbal essence may just turn out to be working chemical agents. there is no mystery about it - it's is a chemical-physiological effect that helps, or not.

At least as long as you do mean herbs for sure - and not insist on tea leaves being plucked at full moon in the 19th night of the 7th month of the year, and then stored for 12 days and nights in purified water held in a silver bowl and buried in sacred earth under a layer of rose quartz!

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

After watching that one, you will be able to truly appreciate this one, in which he really drives the point home.

ROTFLMAO!

Best return possible!

[AngusJS]

It's just water.

The standard dilution for the homeopathic "treatment" for flu is 200C, i.e. a dilution of the "active" ingredient to one part per hundred, repeated 200 times. To quote the book Voodoo Science:

That would result in a dilution of one molecule of the extract to every 10^400 molecules of water...But there are only 10^80 atoms in the entire universe. A dilution of 200C would go far, far beyond the dilution limit of the entire visible universe!

A homeopathic experiment using a common substance:



And what if homeopathy was used in emergency rooms?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

It's just water.

The standard dilution for the homeopathic "treatment" for flu is 200C, i.e. a dilution of the "active" ingredient to one part per hundred, repeated 200 times.

Wrong. They have two scales to describe the delution level in homeopathy, the X- (or D-) and the C-scale (from the Roman number system, I think). 200C (=400X) means a dillution of 1 : 10E400 (an exponent with 400 zeroes, yes).

the number of particles in all universe is estimated to be 10E78

Edit: I just realised you were describing the process of potentisation (=Potenzierung), so I somewhat misread your post. However, your statement that 200C means "a dilution of the "active" ingredient to one part per hundred", nevertheless is wrong. the number does not mean a final dilution relation of 1:200, but means that that the process of potentisation" is repeated 400 times (400D=200C), with each potentisation step meaning a further dilution of 1:10. "2C" for example equals "4D/4X" and thus means a dilution of 1 : 10E4=10000, not 1:2.

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Wrong. They have two scales to describe the delution level in homeopathy, the X- (or D-) and the C-scale (from the Roman number system, I think). 200C (=400X) means a dillution of 1 : 10E400 (an exponent with 400 zeroes, yes).

the number of particles in all universe is estimated to be 10E78

Edit: I just realised you were describing the process of potentisation (=Potenzierung), so I somewhat misread your post. However, your statement that 200C means "a dilution of the "active" ingredient to one part per hundred", nevertheless is wrong. the number does not mean a final dilution relation of 1:200, but means that that the process of potentisation" is repeated 400 times (400D=200C), with each potentisation step meaning a further dilution of 1:10. "2C" for example equals "4D/4X" and thus means a dilution of 1 : 10E4=10000, not 1:2.

I mean (for example) 1 ml of extract is put in 99 ml of water and shaken. Then one ml of that is put in another 99 ml of water, a step that is repeated 199 times.

[conus00]

Originally Posted by tater

Quackery.

Homeopathy is to Medicine

as

Astrology is to Astronomy.

Well put.

[Blacklight]

There's only ONE homeopathic thing that I tried that actually worked. I have horrible 24/7, year round, nasal allergies that REALLY affect my quality of life. I'm taking every perscription drug that I can possibly take for it and I've also done allergy shots and nothing has worked so far except to stave off the symptoms just a little bit. I decided that I had nothing to lose by trying something homeopathic because it was the only thing I havn't tried yet.
With homeopathic stuff, I am a huge skeptic but I decided to give it a shot anyway. I tried several things, all with absolutely NO result. Then I found this stuff called "Nasalcrom" and it's amazing the difference that it makes. Unlike most homeopathic stuff where you have to keep taking it for a month or more for it to take effect according to the manufactuers, it works immediately. It doesn't totally kill the allergies, but it REALLY made a difference in my ability to actually breath through my nose.
The only drawback is that it last for three hours and then you have to dose again and you can take it up to 6 times a day. Even so, a single bottle of it lasts me a month. It's the only homeopathic drug that I actually would reccomend.

The other catch with it is that it works fantastic with nasal allergies, but does nothing if you have a sinus infection. This stuff actually does work and I reccomend it to anyone with nasal allergies.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Blacklight

There's only ONE homeopathic thing that I tried that actually worked. I have horrible 24/7, year round, nasal allergies that REALLY affect my quality of life. I'm taking every perscription drug that I can possibly take for it and I've also done allergy shots and nothing has worked so far except to stave off the symptoms just a little bit. I decided that I had nothing to lose by trying something homeopathic because it was the only thing I havn't tried yet.
With homeopathic stuff, I am a huge skeptic but I decided to give it a shot anyway. I tried several things, all with absolutely NO result. Then I found this stuff called "Nasalcrom" and it's amazing the difference that it makes. Unlike most homeopathic stuff where you have to keep taking it for a month or more for it to take effect according to the manufactuers, it works immediately. It doesn't totally kill the allergies, but it REALLY made a difference in my ability to actually breath through my nose.
The only drawback is that it last for three hours and then you have to dose again and you can take it up to 6 times a day. Even so, a single bottle of it lasts me a month. It's the only homeopathic drug that I actually would reccomend.

The other catch with it is that it works fantastic with nasal allergies, but does nothing if you have a sinus infection. This stuff actually does work and I reccomend it to anyone with nasal allergies.

Is cromoglicic acid really "homeopathic?"

Since the active ingredient is NOT diluted to non-existence (the definition of a homeopathic "remedy"), I don't think it counts. Nasalcrom is: Cromolyn sodium 5.2 mg per spray. That's not diluted the silly homeopath way.

[Blacklight]

Is cromoglicic acid really "homeopathic?"

Since the active ingredient is NOT diluted to non-existence (the definition of a homeopathic "remedy"), I don't think it counts. Nasalcrom is: Cromolyn sodium 5.2 mg per spray. That's not diluted the silly homeopath way.

It CLAIMS to be homeopathic. Whatever it is, it really works well.

[Skybird]

http://www.rxlist.com/nasalcrom-drug.htm

http://nasalcrom.com/product.php

DRUG DESCRIPTION
Chemically, cromolyn sodium is the disodium salt of 1,3-bis (2-carboxychromon-5-yloxy)-2-hydroxypropane. The empirical formula is C23H14Na2O11; the molecular weight is 512.34.

Active ingredient (per pray): Cromolyn sodium 5.2 mg

Does not look and does not sound like homeopathic at all. 5.2 mg of something per spray bottle? No, not homeopathic, really.

[Takeda Shingen]

Of course homeopathic 'medicine' is bunk. What irritates me is that it takes away from real science, like alchemy.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by Blacklight

There's only ONE homeopathic thing that I tried that actually worked. I have horrible 24/7, year round, nasal allergies that REALLY affect my quality of life. I'm taking every perscription drug that I can possibly take for it and I've also done allergy shots and nothing has worked so far except to stave off the symptoms just a little bit. I decided that I had nothing to lose by trying something homeopathic because it was the only thing I havn't tried yet.
With homeopathic stuff, I am a huge skeptic but I decided to give it a shot anyway. I tried several things, all with absolutely NO result. Then I found this stuff called "Nasalcrom" and it's amazing the difference that it makes. Unlike most homeopathic stuff where you have to keep taking it for a month or more for it to take effect according to the manufactuers, it works immediately. It doesn't totally kill the allergies, but it REALLY made a difference in my ability to actually breath through my nose.
The only drawback is that it last for three hours and then you have to dose again and you can take it up to 6 times a day. Even so, a single bottle of it lasts me a month. It's the only homeopathic drug that I actually would reccomend.

The other catch with it is that it works fantastic with nasal allergies, but does nothing if you have a sinus infection. This stuff actually does work and I reccomend it to anyone with nasal allergies.

I don't really think its all that homeopathic. HCL (hydrochloric acid) is often used as an active ingredient for other nasal sprays, so another acid is a believable alternative. My theory is that they never got it FDA approved so they say it's "homeopathic"

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Of course homeopathic 'medicine' is bunk. What irritates me is that it takes away from real science, like alchemy.

What exactly is it taking away from "real" science?

Scientists work in their labs; Homeopathic technicians work in their labs.

What is being taken away?

And the important question is: Why do we have three pages of everyone agreeing? LoL

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Platapus

What exactly is it taking away from "real" science?

Scientists work in their labs; Homeopathic technicians work in their labs.

What is being taken away?

And the important question is: Why do we have three pages of everyone agreeing? LoL

Your sarcasm receptors may need recalibrating. Alchemy is not science.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Your sarcasm receptors may need recalibrating. Alchemy is not science.

That's a fair cop. I plead guilty.