Cloning Objects in "Plainer English" by stljeffbb1 - Page 3

AG124 · 09-16-05, 06:46 PM

Two questions:

1. How do I start the program from the Command Prompt (Windows has erased whatever little knowledge I used to have of DOS commands).

2. I too am interested in Rubini's question - Is it OK to give the new files a new name?

If I, and others, can't figure out DOS, will there be a version with Windows interface soon?

Thanks for your partience.

Jace11 · 09-16-05, 06:54 PM

Yup cloned me a destroyer.

Thanks for tool.

What about Text names inside the dat file, do they matter? Say I wanted to use a new texture.. Would I have to rename it inside the dat. There are many instances of NDE_Evarts inside the dat I am looking at, renaming these to NDE_Captain causes a crash. Probably don't fit correct. Need to look closely at insert/override.

Jace11 · 09-16-05, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AG124

Two questions:

1. How do I start the program from the Command Prompt (Windows has erased whatever little knowledge I used to have of DOS commands).

2. I too am interested in Rubini's question - Is it OK to give the new files a new name?

If I, and others, can't figure out DOS, will there be a version with Windows interface soon?

Thanks for your partience.

Rename all the files in a similar manner.. That is essential. NDE_Evarts.eqp - NDE_Captain.eqp

You also need to look inside the cfg file and rename it inside too...

Sansal · 09-16-05, 07:00 PM

The first steep for clone a unit is rename all names of the files with the same name of the folder. And change the classname in .cfg for other.

The names of the objets in the dat don't need to be change. It's a reference at object but it not have influence in the object. Except names like cfg#a01_name_ship .... cfg#a01_ have references with the equipment.

Sorry AG124 i can't do a tutorial of DOS for you now.

This tool not is finished, it's only the firts steeps. The windowed version when i will solved problems with other functions like import a obj.

P.D. This seem a on-line tutorial

Rubini · 09-16-05, 07:25 PM

PicaSansal!

What a crazy mind can do....

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Rubini.

iambecomelife · 09-16-05, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace11

Yup cloned me a destroyer.

Thanks for tool.

What about Text names inside the dat file, do they matter? Say I wanted to use a new texture.. Would I have to rename it inside the dat. There are many instances of NDE_Evarts inside the dat I am looking at, renaming these to NDE_Captain causes a crash. Probably don't fit correct. Need to look closely at insert/override.

Try running a search in the file for plain-text mentions of "tga". This should be easy using hexworkshop's search function. These will most likely be the tga's for the deck and hull of the 3d model. Make sure that the renamed tga for your new texture is the exact same length as the replaced one. For the NDE_Evarts.tga, you'd need a word that was exactly 10 letters/spaces long. I used this method to create some new textures for the "Renown" class battlecruiser I'm making. They work fine without interfering with the default King George skin or crashing the game.

Jace11 · 09-16-05, 08:32 PM

Ok will look into it. Using the old name with a new skin, the new skin is ignored and the other Evarts skin appears to be used which is why I asked. Can the files not be renamed, I am sure I looked at one of serg's mod and he had renamed EVERYTHING which is why I thought it essential (though clearly it is not as it works without)...

iambecomelife · 09-16-05, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace11

Ok will look into it. Using the old name with a new skin, the new skin is ignored and the other Evarts skin appears to be used which is why I asked. Can the files not be renamed, I am sure I looked at one of serg's mod and he had renamed EVERYTHING which is why I thought it essential (though clearly it is not as it works without)...

I guess that he had all those renamed portions because he made some changes to the 3d model. To change textures you just need to find all plaintext mentions of tga's in the dat file, rename it, and follow the length rule above. Another thing - the new skin will not appear if you put it in textures\tlowres\tex. It must go in textures\tnormal.tex. BTW, I still don't know how to make a cloned unit multiple-skin, so you may have to ask sergbuto or orzel if you want more than one texture.

stljeffbb1 · 09-16-05, 09:24 PM

Excellent! Anything to make this stuff go as smoothly and quickly as possible!

-Jeff

iambecomelife · 09-16-05, 09:27 PM

Not working for me when I try to clone (c). I made sure to extract without folders and I have the latest Java update. I'm running in the command prompt window and the files are in the same directory as the dat (nksq_.dat) that I'm trying to clone. I'm getting that "out of bounds" error. Do you have to execute one of the other commands first to make it run?

iambecomelife · 09-16-05, 09:36 PM

Here's the full error:

Exception in thread "main" java.lang ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: 2 at pack3d.main <pack3d.java:60>

Any idea what's wrong?

iambecomelife · 09-16-05, 10:16 PM

Never mind, I solved my problem. I'm too ashamed to admit what it was, but you're welcome to guess

. Now to find some photos of German flak ships - lol.

Rubini · 09-16-05, 10:24 PM

Hi guys,
Hi Sansal,

iambecomelife just read this:

Reports after first 3! clones in a test mission:

I cloned a Small Merchant, B24 Liberator and a type IXB. I made a test mission with anchored and moving units (waypoints). Put in the same area a original of each unit. All goes fine, no missing objects, no missing textures.

Issues:
1. the uboat clone don't follow the waypoints, just start with move but their engines are off. This is related to the sim file. It's not a bug with the clone process.
2. to clone the uboat is necessary to clone the watch tower too, and they don't have a dsd file. I just rename the cam file to a dsd file and after the clone process I just delete it.

So, it's awesome, in a hour I clone 3 units (1 uboat). Until today at morning I will need a week or two to do this...if I could achieve it...

After this my mind see a infinite possibilities for the modders.

Many thanks Sansal. I new era comes for this sim. You rocks!

Rubini.

stljeffbb1 · 09-16-05, 11:09 PM

Cool....I just used this fab tool! Cuts the time from hours to minutes! Now we can focus on making different units instead of spending the time cloning!

Many thanks Sansal!

-Jeff

Rubini · 09-17-05, 03:01 AM

eh eh,

My cloned Type IX now move and follow waypoints...

Rubini.

09-16-05, 09:24 PM	#39
stljeffbb1 Medic Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Wisconsin USA Posts: 165 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Excellent! Anything to make this stuff go as smoothly and quickly as possible! -Jeff __________________ SH3 Cloning Library: http://www.geocities.com/stljeffbb/CloningLibrary.html :rotfl:

09-16-05, 09:27 PM	#40
iambecomelife Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,710 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 0	Not working for me when I try to clone (c). I made sure to extract without folders and I have the latest Java update. I'm running in the command prompt window and the files are in the same directory as the dat (nksq_.dat) that I'm trying to clone. I'm getting that "out of bounds" error. Do you have to execute one of the other commands first to make it run? __________________ https://www.facebook.com/WolvesoftheKaiser/

09-16-05, 09:36 PM	#41
iambecomelife Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,710 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 0	Here's the full error: Exception in thread "main" java.lang ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: 2 at pack3d.main <pack3d.java:60> Any idea what's wrong? __________________ https://www.facebook.com/WolvesoftheKaiser/

09-16-05, 10:16 PM	#42
iambecomelife Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,710 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 0	Never mind, I solved my problem. I'm too ashamed to admit what it was, but you're welcome to guess . Now to find some photos of German flak ships - lol. __________________ https://www.facebook.com/WolvesoftheKaiser/

09-16-05, 11:09 PM	#44
stljeffbb1 Medic Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Wisconsin USA Posts: 165 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Cool....I just used this fab tool! Cuts the time from hours to minutes! Now we can focus on making different units instead of spending the time cloning! Many thanks Sansal! -Jeff __________________ SH3 Cloning Library: http://www.geocities.com/stljeffbb/CloningLibrary.html :rotfl:

09-16-05, 06:46 PM	#31
AG124 Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,878 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Two questions: 1. How do I start the program from the Command Prompt (Windows has erased whatever little knowledge I used to have of DOS commands). 2. I too am interested in Rubini's question - Is it OK to give the new files a new name? If I, and others, can't figure out DOS, will there be a version with Windows interface soon? Thanks for your partience.

09-16-05, 06:54 PM	#32
Jace11 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 683 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 1	Yup cloned me a destroyer. Thanks for tool. What about Text names inside the dat file, do they matter? Say I wanted to use a new texture.. Would I have to rename it inside the dat. There are many instances of NDE_Evarts inside the dat I am looking at, renaming these to NDE_Captain causes a crash. Probably don't fit correct. Need to look closely at insert/override.

09-16-05, 07:00 PM	#34
Sansal Electrician's Mate Join Date: May 2005 Location: Spain Posts: 133 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The first steep for clone a unit is rename all names of the files with the same name of the folder. And change the classname in .cfg for other. The names of the objets in the dat don't need to be change. It's a reference at object but it not have influence in the object. Except names like cfg#a01_name_ship .... cfg#a01_ have references with the equipment. Sorry AG124 i can't do a tutorial of DOS for you now. This tool not is finished, it's only the firts steeps. The windowed version when i will solved problems with other functions like import a obj. P.D. This seem a on-line tutorial

09-16-05, 07:25 PM	#35
Rubini Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: São Paulo Brazil Posts: 2,728 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	PicaSansal! What a crazy mind can do.... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Rubini.

09-16-05, 08:32 PM	#37
Jace11 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 683 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 1	Ok will look into it. Using the old name with a new skin, the new skin is ignored and the other Evarts skin appears to be used which is why I asked. Can the files not be renamed, I am sure I looked at one of serg's mod and he had renamed EVERYTHING which is why I thought it essential (though clearly it is not as it works without)...

09-16-05, 10:24 PM	#43
Rubini Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: São Paulo Brazil Posts: 2,728 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	Hi guys, Hi Sansal, iambecomelife just read this: Reports after first 3! clones in a test mission: I cloned a Small Merchant, B24 Liberator and a type IXB. I made a test mission with anchored and moving units (waypoints). Put in the same area a original of each unit. All goes fine, no missing objects, no missing textures. Issues: 1. the uboat clone don't follow the waypoints, just start with move but their engines are off. This is related to the sim file. It's not a bug with the clone process. 2. to clone the uboat is necessary to clone the watch tower too, and they don't have a dsd file. I just rename the cam file to a dsd file and after the clone process I just delete it. So, it's awesome, in a hour I clone 3 units (1 uboat). Until today at morning I will need a week or two to do this...if I could achieve it... After this my mind see a infinite possibilities for the modders. Many thanks Sansal. I new era comes for this sim. You rocks! Rubini.

09-17-05, 03:01 AM	#45
Rubini Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: São Paulo Brazil Posts: 2,728 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	eh eh, My cloned Type IX now move and follow waypoints... Rubini.