Kamakazis

[Alpha Von Burg]

For the record I don't play SHIV but I am planning to get it soon I just want to know a few thing about this game before i got it.

First of I want to know if there are kamakazi pilots in this game?

because I know that during the Pacific theater of war in WWII, sailors would pry to be on land after surviving kamakazi attacks and also that USS carrier St. Lo was hit litaraly by only one plane and it did a hell out of the Lo, this worries me because in RL one shell a fighter could criple the hull, now imagine what a whole planewould do to a U-Boat, but this also makes it more interesting...

anyway, Thanks in advance

[tomoose]

I've not witnessed any form of kamikaze attack in-game so far. I'm not aware of any historical kamikaze attack against a submarine but someone can correct me on that if I'm wrong. It may happen in the game but would more than likely be unplanned/unscripted in that sometimes the fighters/bombers attacking a sub 'forget' to pull up in time and thunder in. I'm guessing that in reality a sub is a fairly small target for a suicide air attack and was not a planned target for any kamikaze attacks.

I'm not sure if you realized what you typed in your post: a kamikaze would not be attacking a u-boat at all given they were on the same side during that particular war.

[Gibus]

I agree with you, Tomoose, a submarine is not an attractive target for an airplane, and I would add that the reverse is true.
The main asset of submarine stealth. Playing cowboy is not its role.

[Alpha Von Burg]

Originally Posted by tomoose

I'm not sure if you realized what you typed in your post: a kamikaze would not be attacking a u-boat at all given they were on the same side during that particular war.

Oh, my mistake, I referred an American Sub for a U-boat, thanks for telling me
and thanks for your answers...

[razark]

Originally Posted by Alpha Von Burg

Oh, my mistake, I referred an American Sub for a U-boat, thanks for telling me
and thanks for your answers...

"Enemy submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs." Winston Churchill

[Admiral8Q]

Originally Posted by razark

"Enemy submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs." Winston Churchill

Dastardly those U-Boats are. The miserable U-Boats have no other medicine but only hope. Hope to live, hope to kill, but prepared to die. Friend hast thou none in the ocean. For thy ways, by one of which you call fuhrer. When to meet again in wolf packs again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain? When the deed is done, when the battle is lost or won.


Cheers!
8Q

[Rockin Robbins]

In the real war no submarines were ever attacked by kamikazes. Therefore kamikaze attacks on submarines don't happen in the game.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Alpha Von Burg

because I know that during the Pacific theater of war in WWII, sailors would pry to be on land after surviving kamakazi attacks and also that USS carrier St. Lo was hit litaraly by only one plane and it did a hell out of the Lo, this worries me because in RL one shell a fighter could criple the hull, now imagine what a whole planewould do to a U-Boat, but this also makes it more interesting...

One of the greatest fears a sailor has is a fire at sea, because contrary to popular belief a fire can easily burn hot enough to eat through steel. An aircraft carrier is full of aviation gasoline, which is specifically designed to burn a hot as possible, so a fire on board a carrier is a bigger problem than on any other ship. Also a carrier has a huge open hangar where the planes are stored and refueled. There is a constant wind running through the hangar due to some large openings in the sides that let in fresh air, as fumes from the fuel can make it hard to breath.

All of this together - special hot-burning fuel, a large open space with a breeze running through it to get ride of the fumes from the fuel - combine to make a prime place for a good uncontrollable fire. That's why carriers were favorite targets for kamikazes...and submarines.

[rein1705]

I've john wayned a Betty before and she crashed into my Boat, even dropped a few Zeros in the drink right next to me. OH, the Betty crashing into me nearly killed us.

[tomoose]

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General Melchett: Filthy hun weasels, fighting their dirty underhand war!
Captain Darling: And fortunately, one of our spies...
General Melchett: Splendid fellows, brave heroes risking life and limb for Blighty!

[Armistead]

I don't think they attack on purpose, but planes can and will crash into your sub, had it happen several times. Think it's more of a bug of not pulling out of the dive in time and a direct hit can damage your sub.

[theevilgenius]

i had a kamikaze plane once
i saw a plane coming (dont really know wich one)
and i stayed surfaced cause i wanted some firing practice
i dint hit him the first time so i waited till it came back
so it came back and started to dive towards me
so i shot and hit him, wich made it crash straight into my sub

*GAME OVER*

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

One of the greatest fears a sailor has is a fire at sea, because contrary to popular belief a fire can easily burn hot enough to eat through steel. An aircraft carrier is full of aviation gasoline, which is specifically designed to burn a hot as possible, so a fire on board a carrier is a bigger problem than on any other ship. Also a carrier has a huge open hangar where the planes are stored and refueled. There is a constant wind running through the hangar due to some large openings in the sides that let in fresh air, as fumes from the fuel can make it hard to breath.

All of this together - special hot-burning fuel, a large open space with a breeze running through it to get ride of the fumes from the fuel - combine to make a prime place for a good uncontrollable fire. That's why carriers were favorite targets for kamikazes...and submarines.

But most critical was a fatal design flaw in American carriers: a wooden flight deck. In an effort to keep the center of gravity lower, the wooden flight deck was used. But it meant that bombs and kamikazes blasted right through the deck into all that av fuel below. Scratch one carrier.

The British did it right, using steel flight decks. Kamikazes and bombs exploded relatively harmlessly on the flight deck, they polished it off and resumed business as usual. Yes, "polishing it off" could involve some really gruesome work, but the ship was not in danger unless there was an elevator parked on the hanger deck giving the explosives access. They tried not to let that happen.

[JoeCorrado]

Not exactly a Kamikaze attack, but;

While moving towards my second patrol area in the East China Sea, early 1942 I was careless by running on the surface, during daylight hours at 512 tc, when I was attacked by a lone Japanese aircraft (Kawasaki Ki-45 I think) - He seemed just as surprised as I was - he noticed me late and came screaming in at a steep angle, firing machine guns along the way... for my part, I was just into an emergency dive but not quite under the waves... conning tower still very much exposed.


Long story short, he could not pull out of the dive and crashed into the sea just off my port bow causing minor damage to my forward tubes which fortunately my repair team was able to repair. For a moment there, I thought that my patrol would end before getting started due to the damaged bow tubes.

Like I said, not a kamikaze attack in the technical sense, but pretty darned close in results!

[Admiral8Q]

Historically, the Japanese had no interest in enemy submarines. Probably because they thought of them as a defensive weapon rather than offensive. When they attacked Pearl Harbor, they ignored the subs, which would later on be their undoing. Kamikazis were aimed at big ships like carriers and battleships, never at tiny ones like subs. The Japs thought big. But it was the small things that multiplied and crippled them ultimately.