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LukeFF · 05-12-10, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Reece

Well GWX 4 was stopped primarily because SH5 was just around the corner, knowing now the way SH5 is maybe SH4 should be reviewed again by the GWX team!

Again, why? Why do people like you persist in believing only GWX could make quality mods for this game?

kylania · 05-12-10, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LukeFF

Again, why? Why do people like you persist in believing only GWX could make quality mods for this game?

The same reason they believe that Nvidia is the best video card, or ATI is, or that Coke is the better beverage over Pepsi. It's what they know and enjoy.

When they say "We need GWX for SH5" they aren't saying "RUB and TMO and NYGM and all those others suck, we only like GWX!" they are saying "I want the same experience I enjoyed when I used GWX in SH3!"

janh · 05-12-10, 06:09 PM

I think most people use the term "GWX", but actually mean any of the supermods that were cream and cherries on SHIII. RUB, TMO, NYGM,... are surely all well worse praise, but GWX just served the widest audience, most features and most players ideas. But that does not detract in any sense from the other mods.

It will be interesting to see if for SHV similarly strong and dedicated teams of modders will form that can add as much content as did the old supermods to SHIII. Although I almost think it will be hard to beat these old kings, even if SHV were patched spontaneously into perfection...

Takeda Shingen · 05-12-10, 06:11 PM

Let's not turn this into yet another mod team cage match, shall we?

The Management

05-12-10, 08:01 PM

lukeff,
I and many others have tried to end this GWX posting type stuff.
We have offered not only a new forum but anything developed there.
Free for anyone that wants it!
The only one that raises rants is?

Not a good sign for a 'so called' Military Person.
How's the last psyc tests looking?

ddrgn · 05-12-10, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kylania

The same reason they believe that Nvidia is the best video card, or ATI is, or that Coke is the better beverage over Pepsi. It's what they know and enjoy.

When they say "We need GWX for SH5" they aren't saying "RUB and TMO and NYGM and all those others suck, we only like GWX!" they are saying "I want the same experience I enjoyed when I used GWX in SH3!"

God I love Coke, its worse than the actual drug. Drink more water!

05-12-10, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ddrgn

God I love Coke, its worse than the actual drug. Drink more water!

Coke started with the actual drug included.
That's where it took it's name.
Then being True American Entrepreneurs?
It was sold to the World in the name of Profits.
Profit pops up alot in selling things.

Goods and Religion are the top sellers useing Profits.

Reece · 05-12-10, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LukeFF

Again, why? Why do people like you persist in believing only GWX could make quality mods for this game?

Because a team working together on a mod have to be compatible with each others work, the mod is tested by the team before releasing, one person working on a mod that may well be a conflict with others will never achieve what a team will do, and really is only a wishful hint.

Jimbuna · 05-13-10, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Adriatico

Wheeere the hell is spokesman Jimbuna when you need him most ?!?

I'm here matey....watching the thread with interest...and agreeing with everything Privateer has thus far posted.

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

As I (and a couple of the GWX team) have said repeatedly in the past. My hope from Privateer's comment is that everyone can work together to pool the immense talent available all over this forum (your own self included) to make something truly memorable out of this game.

Precisely.

609_Avatar · 05-13-10, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kylania

The same reason they believe that Nvidia is the best video card, or ATI is, or that Coke is the better beverage over Pepsi. It's what they know and enjoy.

When they say "We need GWX for SH5" they aren't saying "RUB and TMO and NYGM and all those others suck, we only like GWX!" they are saying "I want the same experience I enjoyed when I used GWX in SH3!"

Well said sir.

LukeFF, you seem a little defensive or touchy in your posts here. No one was saying anything other than they liked what they got/experienced with GWX. Saying "Why do people like you persist in believing only GWX could make quality mods for this game?" is a bit of a stretch and is only in your mind from what I've read.

Kpt. Lehmann · 05-13-10, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by privateer

I and many others have tried to end this GWX posting type stuff.

... and on the other hand, if various members of the community feel that we did our job well enough in building GWX... and it is remembered with good thoughts in the days and years to come...

... those of us who crafted it, should never feel like we have to apologize to anyone... ever... for having done a good job.

For those that still HATE after all this time... you should just get over it.

Hate won't keep you warm at night, make you live longer, or serve the community in the SLIGHTEST.

Bilge_Rat · 05-13-10, 03:23 PM

I dont really care who turns out the SH5 supermod, whether it is GWX5 or RUB5 or NYGM5. They will all have my support..

Obviously we all know it will take time and effort. SH3 was not turned from the "..broken, unplayable, half-finished.." state it was in at release into its current mature state in one day....

Nisgeis · 05-13-10, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Reece

Because a team working together on a mod have to be compatible with each others work, the mod is tested by the team before releasing, one person working on a mod that may well be a conflict with others will never achieve what a team will do, and really is only a wishful hint.

Your response didn't tie in with what was said, so when you say GWX, do you mean 'mod team', or do you mean 'a specific mod team comprising people who had worked on the previous GWX mod'? I think that's the key distinction here. Any team can get together and work on a large mod and test it all, but if you want a fantasy mod team of yesteryear, then I don't think that's going to happen.

No one is disputing that a team can achieve more than an individual, but your posts suggest that you want one specific set of people to work on one specific mod and nothing else will do. Is that the case?

Kpt. Lehmann · 05-13-10, 04:00 PM

As Reece is offline, I'm going to add some other thoughts here:

I can tell you and/or anyone definitively... as the GWX Project founder and manager... That the GWX project is being maintained as a terminated project. Myself and Jimbuna hold the keys to its name/title, and it will not be 'resurrected.'

This does nothing to interfere with or prevent other modders from coming together to build future projects of their own.

I think in a general sense, that people (including Reece IMHO) are using the name "GWX" as an adjective while they are trying to describe what they hope for from SH modders while being lost in the morass that UBISOFT pitched them into with their current release.

LukeFF · 05-13-10, 04:27 PM

My complaint is not with any of the mods that have been created for SH3 or later - be they GWX, NYGM, etc. My beef is with people who, in their request for new mods, post something to the effect of:

"We need GWX"
"We should petition GWX to come back and fix the game"
"Ubisoft should ask GWX to fix the game"
"Ubisoft should just contract with GWX when releasing the next version of the game"

And so forth. I cannot speak for other modders out there, but for me, personally, when I read comments like that, it is an insult to the time and effort I have put in to creating quality mod work for others to enjoy. I personally do not care how many how many downloads RFB or RUB receives. All I ask is that people stop putting modders on a pedestal and making comments like the ones above.

@privateer: think what you want about me, however, misguided that may be.

05-12-10, 06:09 PM	#33
janh Stinking drunk in Trinidad Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 349 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	? I think most people use the term "GWX", but actually mean any of the supermods that were cream and cherries on SHIII. RUB, TMO, NYGM,... are surely all well worse praise, but GWX just served the widest audience, most features and most players ideas. But that does not detract in any sense from the other mods. It will be interesting to see if for SHV similarly strong and dedicated teams of modders will form that can add as much content as did the old supermods to SHIII. Although I almost think it will be hard to beat these old kings, even if SHV were patched spontaneously into perfection... __________________ Scientific facts are not determined by the opinion of the majority, nor by a democratic vote.

05-13-10, 03:23 PM	#42
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	I dont really care who turns out the SH5 supermod, whether it is GWX5 or RUB5 or NYGM5. They will all have my support.. Obviously we all know it will take time and effort. SH3 was not turned from the "..broken, unplayable, half-finished.." state it was in at release into its current mature state in one day.... __________________

05-13-10, 04:00 PM	#44
Kpt. Lehmann GWX Project Director Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 6,994 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	As Reece is offline, I'm going to add some other thoughts here: I can tell you and/or anyone definitively... as the GWX Project founder and manager... That the GWX project is being maintained as a terminated project. Myself and Jimbuna hold the keys to its name/title, and it will not be 'resurrected.' This does nothing to interfere with or prevent other modders from coming together to build future projects of their own. I think in a general sense, that people (including Reece IMHO) are using the name "GWX" as an adjective while they are trying to describe what they hope for from SH modders while being lost in the morass that UBISOFT pitched them into with their current release. __________________ www.thegreywolves.com All you need is good men. - Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock

05-13-10, 04:27 PM	#45
LukeFF Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Riverside, California Posts: 3,610 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 5	My complaint is not with any of the mods that have been created for SH3 or later - be they GWX, NYGM, etc. My beef is with people who, in their request for new mods, post something to the effect of: "We need GWX" "We should petition GWX to come back and fix the game" "Ubisoft should ask GWX to fix the game" "Ubisoft should just contract with GWX when releasing the next version of the game" And so forth. I cannot speak for other modders out there, but for me, personally, when I read comments like that, it is an insult to the time and effort I have put in to creating quality mod work for others to enjoy. I personally do not care how many how many downloads RFB or RUB receives. All I ask is that people stop putting modders on a pedestal and making comments like the ones above. @privateer: think what you want about me, however, misguided that may be. __________________ ROW Sound Effects Contributor RFB Team Leader

05-12-10, 06:11 PM	#34
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Let's not turn this into yet another mod team cage match, shall we? The Management

05-12-10, 08:01 PM	#35
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	lukeff, I and many others have tried to end this GWX posting type stuff. We have offered not only a new forum but anything developed there. Free for anyone that wants it! The only one that raises rants is? Not a good sign for a 'so called' Military Person. How's the last psyc tests looking?