Wear the American Flag and get sent home...

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by les green01

to me this is like burning the flag or waving a sign at a funural of a soldier that got kill,you dont love this country then it simple leave and don't let the door hit you on the way out,i know im going take some heat for this but i don't care not anymore i don't anymore way i feel life sucks then you die.

Burning a flag has nothing to do with whether you love the country or not. It's rude, but not as "Anti-American" as some people like to make it. Likewise sign-waving at funerals.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by tater

No, because if it did happen, anyone doing it WOULD INSTANTLY LOSE THEIR JOB. Everyone knows this to be true, and guess what, they like having a job, so they don't do it.

Yet, again, it didn't happen this way. We are talking about events that have taken place in Live Oak High School, we are not speculating on what would of happened or what might have happened if it had happened this way or if the circumstances had been that way, and that's that.

Originally Posted by tater

You know this to be true.

Truth implies that this would be the case every single time some kind of instance along these lines arose. To say that with absolute certainty is, to the say the least, irrational, illogical, and just plain stupid.

Originally Posted by tater

Lesse, radio personalities who are controversial or "shocking" as their SOP get sh*tcanned for uttering anything remotely racial even in a clear joking context.

Oh they ALL get taken off for making race jokes? C'mon, we both know it doesn't work that way. Very few broadcasters have been taken off the air (the radio and television) for racial remarks. There are a few, but the numbers are so tiny it is in itself a joke.

Originally Posted by tater

Kids have put up Mexican flags in schools.

Ok.

Originally Posted by tater

Other kids took the flags down.

Ok.

Originally Posted by tater

Did the kids who put up the flags get in trouble? No.

Probably, because the United States does believe in something called free speech. Putting a flag up or even burning one is an expression. Whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant- it's legal, they have a right to do it. If you take it down, you are technically censoring their right.

Originally Posted by tater

The kids who took the flags DOWN—again, put up without permission—got suspended.

Because that's censoring free speech. Again, if they're putting the flag up to express themselves, you can't remove it for that reason. It's a protected act by the First Amendment lol. The kids who are against it and are taking them down are not in the authority to remove the flags, the school is. Because it's the school's property that it's being done on. The school could order them to take the flags down because it was done without permission, yes, but not because they disagree with their expression. The kids have no authority, so they have no legal power to remove them. Again, they can disagree with the expression if they wish, they can complain to the school about it, but unless the school itself decides to take action, the kids are crossing over the line- evidently ignorant of the law. Too bad that's not an excuse.

Originally Posted by tater

That is 100% the standard, and we all know it.

Apparently not 100% familiar, however, with the laws and legal background surrounding this issue. In the case of Live Oaks High School, they're apparently not too familiar with it either. Because the actions of the students there wearing the American flag tees were protected by law. So does the school deserve to get in trouble? Yes. I was never arguing that they shouldn't. All I was arguing was that we should not make this a case about ethnicity (i.e. pointing out who's Hispanic and who isn't in all this; but since others wanted to do it, I used the exact same method to show why their position that it was motivated out of ethnic heritage is not only irrelevant in the circumstantial POV of this incident, but also a faulty tactic because the majority of faculty there are not Hispanic and two of the students who were suspended for the American flag tees WERE Hispanic lol).

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Its called pointing out a double standard - which should not exist, but does.

No, it's called, "I'm being hypothetical to push my point of view that some of my contemporaries here share with me, and am speculating to further lend credence to my hypothetical arguments." Long title. We're working on shortening it down to something easier to remember.

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Pointing out things that are wrong is usually how they eventually get fixed.

Which is exactly why you rushed down to the bottom of this thread's page and clicked "Post Reply"... to try to fix the problem... because we all know that the first step to fixing social problems like this is to rush to the Internet and voice your opinion on a forum- it's never getting up and taking to the streets and rallying people to support you on the position and launching a legal blitzkrieg against the wrongdoers with the aid of your supporters... lol.

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

The thing here is that this issue is NOT over, but in fact is escalating.

I never said it was over. In fact, I don't recall anybody saying it was over- here or elsewhere. All I said was that if you're going to argue about this, right now and in the future, stick to the facts and stop with the speculation... if you really want to achieve anything as far as the debate goes.

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Hispanic students marching and demanding these kids be suspended?

Where is this happening? Show me a news article that says the Hispanic students of Live Oaks High School are marching and demanding that the students who wore the American flag shirts, two of which are Hispanic, be suspended.

(edit: thank you for the link)

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

The agitating portion of the hispanic population better smarten up quick

OH MY. SUCH ANGER. Well- what are you going to do about it if they don't "smarten up quick" lol? Nothing... nobody else is going to do anything about it either. There's not going to be a big push by the people to force them to conform, nothing but talk.

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

- this is America, not Mexico -

Really? Well I'm sure that's new information to everyone- including the Hispanics...

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

and they are very close to creating a pushback that they have no clue of the severity of.

Again, I'm hearing a lot of talk but not seeing a lot of action. The claims of a "pushback" are ridiculous, to say the least. As much of a dream as the people who believe there will be a race war, the South will rise again, neo-Naziism will become the political standard someday, and there will be a rebellion against the government.

[CaptainHaplo]

Stealth - you wanted a source for them demaning the kids be suspended. Note its the same NBC affiliate that was sourced in the OP:

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local...-93065324.html

For clarity sake - I quote the article with emphasis added to the issue in question.

On Thursday, about 200 Mexican-American students walked out of class in protest of the flag clothing incident. Members of the group waved the Mexican flag and said they were marching for respect and unity. They also demanded the school suspend the boys who wore the U.S. flag-adorned clothing.

I just wonder if I am the only one that finds it odd that the school in question sponsors an after school "Mexican Nationalist Club" (MEChA) whose mission is “as a nationalist movement we seek to free our people from the exploitation of an oppressive society that occupies our land.” and then has a "minority" assistant principal target American kids for wearing their national colors.

Keep believing there won't be a push back, keep believing that the students can use "reconquistador" slogans and yelling LaRaza (The Race) without there being a strong, and if necessary (god forbid), violent reaction. I'll remind you of your head being in the sand if it happens.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Keep believing there won't be a push back, keep believing that the students can use "reconquistador" slogans and yelling LaRaza (The Race) without there being a strong, and if necessary (god forbid), violent reaction. I'll remind you of your head being in the sand if it happens.

My prediction.

The next wars are going to be ethnic and internal in nature, the present systemic crisis and following economic fall will ignite them.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Keep believing there won't be a push back, keep believing that the students can use "reconquistador" slogans and yelling LaRaza (The Race) without there being a strong, and if necessary (god forbid), violent reaction. I'll remind you of your head being in the sand if it happens.

Actually as an immigrant I'd say as a minority it's not going to be my head that's in the sand were something that ridiculous ever to happen, given that the odds are ALL the minorities and all the immigrants would start their own little nationalistic movements. Even so, I'll take my chances. Just like I'll take my chances that the South will not rise again, there will not be an armed insurrection against the government anytime soon, and neo-Nazis will rule the country and make it as great and powerful as Nazi-Germany. But that's just me.