[REQ] 5"/51 caliber deck gun model

Ducimus · 04-14-10, 04:44 PM

I was wondering if there was some talented 3d modeler who wouldn't mind making a 5"/51 caliber deck gun model. My thought is perhaps one could start with a 4"/50 deck gun model, as a base, and adjust it's appearance to look like a 5/51.

Both RFB and TMO would benefit from this model, as both mods will eventually have this deck gun in game. TMO is currently using a 4/50 model as a substitute, im assuming RFB is using the same.

These guns were mounted on Tambor and Gar class submarines starting in july 1942 if source info is correct.

Some pictures:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0819801.jpg
Tambor (SS-198) was fitted with a 5 in/51 gun. She is shown off San Francisco after a refit, 6 December 1943.
from: http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08198.htm

This looks like the same on the USS gar
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0820609.jpg
from: http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08206.htm

More pictures:
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_5-51_mk7_pics.htm

keltos01 · 04-14-10, 04:49 PM

Well the Narwhal's gun isn't far from the gun you're aiming for is it ?

I could give that one to you no problem..

keltos

Ducimus · 04-14-10, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keltos01

Well the Narwhal's gun isn't far from the gun you're aiming for is it ?

I could give that one to you no problem..

keltos

Since that's part of a subsim bonus download, i thought that would be completely out of the realm of possibilities. Is it?

keltos01 · 04-14-10, 05:00 PM

ooops..

right..

but give me picture of the gun from all angles and a rough size of it and I could make one for you, this is how I did the Narwhal gun.

keltos

Ducimus · 04-14-10, 05:24 PM

I'll dig around and find as many pics as i can, but ya know this is one of those hard to find foot notes in a overlooked theater about a branch of the military named after its nature to not disclose info to begin with!

Hopefully this is the right version of the gun.
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/57t.htm

Ducimus · 04-14-10, 05:26 PM

I think there might be a picture of a tambor or gar with one of the guns towards the bottom of this PDF file.
http://navsource.org/archives/08/pdf/0829294.pdf

Ducimus · 04-14-10, 05:33 PM

http://www.usscolorado.org/images/gun-mohai.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoog/3...7618470702547/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoog/3...7618470702547/

EDIT:

a 5-inch/51 seacoast gun of Battery A, 1st Defense Battalion, rests at the Marine Corps Base, San Diego, on 21 October 1940, prior to its being deployed

EDIT:
http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/U/s/US_5_51_gun.htm

Sledgehammer427 · 04-14-10, 08:55 PM

Interesting.
Using a 5"-er in early boats would certainly make things more interesting.

I might just take a whack at the 3d model....I still got a couple of hours before bed

EDIT:
I've done some fiddiling around with the 4" gun, editing it's size, bore, seat removal, I modified the handle that opens the breech, other little details, I'll upload a pic here in a couple

ANOTHER EDIT:
Kinda what ur looking for Ducimus?

comparison shot next to a 4" barrel and body (4" is selected in red)

keltos01 · 04-15-10, 01:45 AM

I guess he wants an exact copy of the 5.1 inch gun for SH4. or as close an approximation as you can 3d SH427.

nice job on the gun btw

but watch out for the bore diameter !

keltos

keltos01 · 04-15-10, 02:12 AM

http://navsource.org/archives/08/pdf/0829294.pdf

looks awfully like a 5.5 inch IJN DG...

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_5-51_mk7_pics.htm

Congressional delegation inspecting 5"/51 (12.7 cm) Mark 9 gun aboard Submarine V-1 (later USS Barracuda SS-163) in December 1924
National Photo Company Collection
Library of Congress Photograph ID LC-DIG-npcc-12734

Ducimus · 04-15-10, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keltos01

I guess he wants an exact copy of the 5.1 inch gun for SH4. or as close an approximation as you can 3d SH427.

nice job on the gun btw

but watch out for the bore diameter !

keltos

Close approximation is good enough for me. I don't expect every rivet and weld in its place, just something that could pass for a 5/51 to the laymans eye. Thanks for the efforts thus far, it looks pretty good. Althoguh i dont know if you want to remove the seats or not. We are limited to existing animation sequences.

Sledgehammer427 · 04-15-10, 07:00 AM

I can re-do it to have the seats on it, no problem

Ducimus · 04-15-10, 11:26 AM

Unless of course you can think of what animation sequences to use for the deck gun crew.

But all the existing deck guns have the two guys operating the gears as the gun goes around. My thought was that would have to continue to be used to look asthetically pleasing. But i could be completely shortsighted with this.

Sledgehammer427 · 04-15-10, 02:58 PM

if I had a mo-cap studio and the knowledge to use one, believe you me, SHIV would have a lot more animations!

04-15-10, 10:53 PM

There's a ton of motion capture files on the 'Net and the instructions to import them to various 3D software programs.
Here's one site:
http://sites.google.com/a/cgspeed.co...motion-capture

Then you can edit those to create new animations.
It's pretty nifty stuff.
Mostly cut and paste work.

04-14-10, 04:44 PM	#1
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	[REQ] 5"/51 caliber deck gun model I was wondering if there was some talented 3d modeler who wouldn't mind making a 5"/51 caliber deck gun model. My thought is perhaps one could start with a 4"/50 deck gun model, as a base, and adjust it's appearance to look like a 5/51. Both RFB and TMO would benefit from this model, as both mods will eventually have this deck gun in game. TMO is currently using a 4/50 model as a substitute, im assuming RFB is using the same. These guns were mounted on Tambor and Gar class submarines starting in july 1942 if source info is correct. Some pictures: http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0819801.jpg Tambor (SS-198) was fitted with a 5 in/51 gun. She is shown off San Francisco after a refit, 6 December 1943. from: http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08198.htm This looks like the same on the USS gar http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0820609.jpg from: http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08206.htm More pictures: http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_5-51_mk7_pics.htm

04-14-10, 04:49 PM	#2
keltos01 Silent Hunter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 4,999 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 18	Well the Narwhal's gun isn't far from the gun you're aiming for is it ? I could give that one to you no problem.. keltos __________________ "Honorable Builder of Sinking Ships"

04-14-10, 05:00 PM	#4
keltos01 Silent Hunter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 4,999 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 18	ooops.. right.. but give me picture of the gun from all angles and a rough size of it and I could make one for you, this is how I did the Narwhal gun. keltos __________________ "Honorable Builder of Sinking Ships"

04-14-10, 05:33 PM	#7
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	http://www.usscolorado.org/images/gun-mohai.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoog/3...7618470702547/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoog/3...7618470702547/ EDIT: a 5-inch/51 seacoast gun of Battery A, 1st Defense Battalion, rests at the Marine Corps Base, San Diego, on 21 October 1940, prior to its being deployed EDIT: http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/U/s/US_5_51_gun.htm Last edited by Ducimus; 04-14-10 at 05:44 PM.

04-14-10, 08:55 PM	#8
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,908 Downloads: 287 Uploads: 0	Interesting. Using a 5"-er in early boats would certainly make things more interesting. I might just take a whack at the 3d model....I still got a couple of hours before bed EDIT: I've done some fiddiling around with the 4" gun, editing it's size, bore, seat removal, I modified the handle that opens the breech, other little details, I'll upload a pic here in a couple ANOTHER EDIT: Kinda what ur looking for Ducimus? comparison shot next to a 4" barrel and body (4" is selected in red) __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C! Last edited by Sledgehammer427; 04-14-10 at 10:29 PM.

04-14-10, 05:24 PM	#5
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I'll dig around and find as many pics as i can, but ya know this is one of those hard to find foot notes in a overlooked theater about a branch of the military named after its nature to not disclose info to begin with! Hopefully this is the right version of the gun. http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/57t.htm

04-14-10, 05:26 PM	#6
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I think there might be a picture of a tambor or gar with one of the guns towards the bottom of this PDF file. http://navsource.org/archives/08/pdf/0829294.pdf

04-15-10, 01:45 AM	#9
keltos01 Silent Hunter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 4,999 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 18	I guess he wants an exact copy of the 5.1 inch gun for SH4. or as close an approximation as you can 3d SH427. nice job on the gun btw but watch out for the bore diameter ! keltos __________________ "Honorable Builder of Sinking Ships"

04-15-10, 02:12 AM	#10
keltos01 Silent Hunter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 4,999 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 18	http://navsource.org/archives/08/pdf/0829294.pdf looks awfully like a 5.5 inch IJN DG... http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_5-51_mk7_pics.htm Congressional delegation inspecting 5"/51 (12.7 cm) Mark 9 gun aboard Submarine V-1 (later USS Barracuda SS-163) in December 1924 National Photo Company Collection Library of Congress Photograph ID LC-DIG-npcc-12734 __________________ "Honorable Builder of Sinking Ships"

04-15-10, 07:00 AM	#12
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,908 Downloads: 287 Uploads: 0	I can re-do it to have the seats on it, no problem __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

04-15-10, 11:26 AM	#13
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Unless of course you can think of what animation sequences to use for the deck gun crew. But all the existing deck guns have the two guys operating the gears as the gun goes around. My thought was that would have to continue to be used to look asthetically pleasing. But i could be completely shortsighted with this.

04-15-10, 02:58 PM	#14
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,908 Downloads: 287 Uploads: 0	if I had a mo-cap studio and the knowledge to use one, believe you me, SHIV would have a lot more animations! __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

04-15-10, 10:53 PM	#15
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	There's a ton of motion capture files on the 'Net and the instructions to import them to various 3D software programs. Here's one site: http://sites.google.com/a/cgspeed.co...motion-capture Then you can edit those to create new animations. It's pretty nifty stuff. Mostly cut and paste work.