WO: Nearest visual contact range at XXXX meters. YEA OR NAY?

nemo7 · 04-14-10, 10:11 AM

How do you like your WO? Human or Bionic?

h.sie · 04-14-10, 10:41 AM

he can be modded to tell only the bearing but not the range.

nemo7 · 04-14-10, 11:31 AM

Yeah mate, I know the menu stuff. But I want your opinion; How it contributes to immersion? Are you using it? Are you using assisted plotting sonar contacts(red-black lines)?

h.sie · 04-14-10, 11:44 AM

I modded the WO to tell only bearing, no range. And I use a slightly modified version of the old AssistedPlotting Mod with red / black lines.

greetings,
h.sie

nemo7 · 04-14-10, 11:51 AM

The 1.4b assisted plotting mode I suppose. That's very interesting h.sie. The sonar detection range lines are totally accurate?

Hitman · 04-14-10, 12:45 PM

In rela life he could certainly make very exact estimates at distances less than 3000 metres, and progressively worser the more distant the ship is. Then again he might have used a stereoscopic portable rangefinder, as were foudn many times in Uboats, and that would give him a reasonable accurancy up to 15 km or so, depending on object size, movement, etc.

I ask him for estimates when plotting a target on a surface run to overhaul, and pretend he has such a rangefinder, so it doesn't bother me. Otherwise, when it comes to setting up the firing solution, I do estimates myself, as I'm normally much closer.

sharkbit · 04-14-10, 01:31 PM

I think it is another case of two extremes, much like map contacts on or off.
Either the WO is too exact with the distance or there is nothing at all with the mods that remove the range.
IRL, I would think an experienced sailor can probably judge distances quite well up to a certain distance, as Hitman said above.

We however, with our 2D computer screens, lack that ability somewhat and I think of it as a crutch to offset that limitation. Kinda like locking the periscope to follow a target-it is a crutch to offset the limitation of having to manually follow a target while inputting information, clicking a mouse. etc.

I seem to recall a thread about maybe having the range be rounded down or up but it was not possible due to hardcoding issues.
I guess we have to settle with laser like precision or nothing at all.

nemo7 · 04-14-10, 02:18 PM

Fair enough. I found one of these parallax range finders:

The 70 cm.(0.7) range finder (type E.34 I think) was accurate for ranges from 500 metres to 4,000 metres.

Hitman · 04-14-10, 02:34 PM

Quote:

The 70 cm.(0.7) range finder (type E.34 I think) was accurate for ranges from 500 metres to 4,000 metres.

yes, but it also wasn't a lot off if used in larger ones (Or so I have readed in some forums about WW2 optics). Not guaranteed accurancy, but may be some couple hundred meters off, specially when measuring big objects (Like a ship).

I have readed a report on interrogation of prisoners where they stated that such a rangefinder was always used for deck gun targetting.

nemo7 · 04-14-10, 02:34 PM

Hhhmm... How do you like this Parallax RF in a graphic mod? Remember the old FM's New Sextant?
STEREOSCOPIC(or PARALLAX) RANGE FINDER; a VERY IMMERSIVE tool in order to find out the range. What do you think?

Hitman?

Hitman · 04-14-10, 02:38 PM

I had already thought if this would be possible, but I can't think of a way to implement it. The sextant you mention for the Real Navigation mod was IIRC just a ruler to measure heigth of sun/stars, not a stereoscopic device.

For a stereoscopic one you need two cameras at different points, separated by some distance (In this rangefinder you showed it was 70 cm) to be able to produce two different images and link them together to determine the angle. This is currently impossible to do in SH3.

KL-alfman · 04-14-10, 02:38 PM

great find, nemo!

nemo7 · 04-14-10, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hitman

I had already thought if this would be possible, but I can't think of a way to implement it. The sextant you mention for the Real Navigation mod was IIRC just a ruler to measure heigth of sun/stars, not a stereoscopic device.

For a stereoscopic one you need two cameras at different points, separated by some distance (In this rangefinder you showed it was 70 cm) to be able to produce two different images and link them together to determine the angle. This is currently impossible to do in SH3.

Let us pretend then mate! Just a nice graphic mod linked with (or triggered from) the nearest visual contact range command. Lets have at least the sense of calculating the range! What do you think?

nemo7 · 04-14-10, 03:04 PM

The 1.5 metre range finder was normally for use against stationary targets, but it could also be used for A/A purposes. It was not, however, much used in U-boats because it was clumsy to handle in a confined space.

1.5-Meter (59.06 inches) Stereoscopic Range Finder (Em.R.1.5 m).

(a) General. This range finder is provided with a tripod and is only used against fixed targets.
(b) Characteristics.
Base length 59.06 inches.
Magnification 11 X.
Range 435 to 21,860 yards.
Weight 20.9 pounds.
Weight of tripod 39.6 pounds.

nemo7 · 04-14-10, 03:12 PM

70-cm Range Finder 34 (Entfernungsmesser 34)

Characteristics:
Base length 70 cm (27.56 inches).
Magnification 11 X.
Range 219 to 10,930 yards.
Weight of Range finder 10 pounds.
Weight of case complete 4.5 pounds.

04-14-10, 10:11 AM	#1
nemo7 Weps Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Averof's bunk Posts: 357 Downloads: 389 Uploads: 0	WO: Nearest visual contact range at XXXX meters. YEA OR NAY? How do you like your WO? Human or Bionic? __________________ Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing, Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before...

04-14-10, 10:41 AM	#2
h.sie Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,192 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	he can be modded to tell only the bearing but not the range. __________________ My Mediafire page: http://www.mediafire.com/hsie

04-14-10, 11:31 AM	#3
nemo7 Weps Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Averof's bunk Posts: 357 Downloads: 389 Uploads: 0	Yeah mate, I know the menu stuff. But I want your opinion; How it contributes to immersion? Are you using it? Are you using assisted plotting sonar contacts(red-black lines)? __________________ Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing, Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before...

04-14-10, 11:44 AM	#4
h.sie Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,192 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	I modded the WO to tell only bearing, no range. And I use a slightly modified version of the old AssistedPlotting Mod with red / black lines. greetings, h.sie __________________ My Mediafire page: http://www.mediafire.com/hsie

04-14-10, 11:51 AM	#5
nemo7 Weps Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Averof's bunk Posts: 357 Downloads: 389 Uploads: 0	The 1.4b assisted plotting mode I suppose. That's very interesting h.sie. The sonar detection range lines are totally accurate? __________________ Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing, Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before...

04-14-10, 12:45 PM	#6
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	In rela life he could certainly make very exact estimates at distances less than 3000 metres, and progressively worser the more distant the ship is. Then again he might have used a stereoscopic portable rangefinder, as were foudn many times in Uboats, and that would give him a reasonable accurancy up to 15 km or so, depending on object size, movement, etc. I ask him for estimates when plotting a target on a surface run to overhaul, and pretend he has such a rangefinder, so it doesn't bother me. Otherwise, when it comes to setting up the firing solution, I do estimates myself, as I'm normally much closer. __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

04-14-10, 01:31 PM	#7
sharkbit The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,529 Downloads: 334 Uploads: 0	I think it is another case of two extremes, much like map contacts on or off. Either the WO is too exact with the distance or there is nothing at all with the mods that remove the range. IRL, I would think an experienced sailor can probably judge distances quite well up to a certain distance, as Hitman said above. We however, with our 2D computer screens, lack that ability somewhat and I think of it as a crutch to offset that limitation. Kinda like locking the periscope to follow a target-it is a crutch to offset the limitation of having to manually follow a target while inputting information, clicking a mouse. etc. I seem to recall a thread about maybe having the range be rounded down or up but it was not possible due to hardcoding issues. I guess we have to settle with laser like precision or nothing at all. __________________ “Prejudice is blind. There will always be someone who says you aren’t welcome at the table. Stop apologizing for who you are and using all your energy trying to change their minds. Yes, you will lose friends, maybe even family. But you will gain your self-respect. You will know your worth. Once you have that, nothing can stop you.”

04-14-10, 02:18 PM	#8
nemo7 Weps Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Averof's bunk Posts: 357 Downloads: 389 Uploads: 0	Fair enough. I found one of these parallax range finders: The 70 cm.(0.7) range finder (type E.34 I think) was accurate for ranges from 500 metres to 4,000 metres. __________________ Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing, Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before...

04-14-10, 02:34 PM	#10
nemo7 Weps Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Averof's bunk Posts: 357 Downloads: 389 Uploads: 0	Hhhmm... How do you like this Parallax RF in a graphic mod? Remember the old FM's New Sextant? STEREOSCOPIC(or PARALLAX) RANGE FINDER; a VERY IMMERSIVE tool in order to find out the range. What do you think? Hitman? __________________ Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing, Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before...

04-14-10, 02:38 PM	#11
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	I had already thought if this would be possible, but I can't think of a way to implement it. The sextant you mention for the Real Navigation mod was IIRC just a ruler to measure heigth of sun/stars, not a stereoscopic device. For a stereoscopic one you need two cameras at different points, separated by some distance (In this rangefinder you showed it was 70 cm) to be able to produce two different images and link them together to determine the angle. This is currently impossible to do in SH3. __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

04-14-10, 02:38 PM	#12
KL-alfman Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Weimar Posts: 930 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	great find, nemo! __________________ Life, Liberty and Property!

04-14-10, 03:04 PM	#14
nemo7 Weps Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Averof's bunk Posts: 357 Downloads: 389 Uploads: 0	The 1.5 metre range finder was normally for use against stationary targets, but it could also be used for A/A purposes. It was not, however, much used in U-boats because it was clumsy to handle in a confined space. 1.5-Meter (59.06 inches) Stereoscopic Range Finder (Em.R.1.5 m). (a) General. This range finder is provided with a tripod and is only used against fixed targets. (b) Characteristics. Base length 59.06 inches. Magnification 11 X. Range 435 to 21,860 yards. Weight 20.9 pounds. Weight of tripod 39.6 pounds. __________________ Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing, Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before... Last edited by nemo7; 04-14-10 at 04:38 PM.

04-14-10, 03:12 PM	#15
nemo7 Weps Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Averof's bunk Posts: 357 Downloads: 389 Uploads: 0	70-cm Range Finder 34 (Entfernungsmesser 34) Characteristics: Base length 70 cm (27.56 inches). Magnification 11 X. Range 219 to 10,930 yards. Weight of Range finder 10 pounds. Weight of case complete 4.5 pounds. __________________ Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing, Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before... Last edited by nemo7; 04-14-10 at 04:34 PM.