Where do I go for that 'free' healthcare?

SteamWake · 04-07-10, 11:18 AM

Seems like there is a lot of confusion out there. Not supprisingly.

Pssst heres a hint.... its not 'free'.

Quote:

They're saying, 'Where do we get the free Obama care, and how do I sign up for that?' " said Carrie McLean, a licensed agent for eHealthInsurance.com. The California-based company sells coverage from 185 health insurance carriers in 50 states

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/04/0...awns-mass.html

GoldenRivet · 04-07-10, 11:42 AM

i think i could handle this bill if it would leave me the hell alone.

Problem:

10-15% of the nation is without healthcare (notice the unemployment rate sort of jives with that number? weird)

Solution:

AhHA! We will force everyone to buy insurance!

another funny thing about free health care...

My wife's insurance policy through her work YESTERDAY;

the premium... doubled from $85/month to $160

the co-pay... doubled from $20 to $40

the deductible for serious procedures... doubled from $2,500 to $5,000

Dear BO and NP

**** YOU

SteamWake · 04-07-10, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

i think i could handle this bill if it would leave me the hell alone.

Problem:

10-15% of the nation is without healthcare (notice the unemployment rate sort of jives with that number? weird)

Solution:

AhHA! We will force everyone to buy insurance!

another funny thing about free health care...

My wife's insurance policy through her work YESTERDAY;

the premium... doubled from $85/month to $160

the co-pay... doubled from $20 to $40

the deductible for serious procedures... doubled from $2,500 to $5,000

Dear BO and NP

**** YOU

Careful lest you be summoned to capitol hill to explain why your costs increased when the aim of the bill was to reduce costs. You have explaining to do !

AVGWarhawk · 04-07-10, 12:38 PM

This bill will cause more trouble than solve. Thanks BO

Zachstar · 04-07-10, 01:42 PM

So your rates raise because Insurance companies want to virtually rape wallets before they are forced to be reasonable. And of course you blame the gov. Every fat cat insurance company thanks you for your devotion to their cause of greater and greater CEO pay. If you continue one day they may invent warp drive and just might take you with them when they go to another planet to pillage :P

The bill isn't great but the bill isn't directly raising your costs. Its the trusts between the companies and their PR hitsquads claiming reducing lawsuits will magically reduce costs so everyone can get in as opposed to it somehow finding its way to the CEO as usual.

Freiwillige · 04-07-10, 01:50 PM

Smoke and mirrors. Hey look at my right hand do magic tricks while my left hand is in your wallet. The ultimate goal of this bill is and always was redistribution of wealth.

Remember the Communist creed....(From those that have to those that need.)

This is nothing other than hey lets charge more from those that can afford insurance so that we can give it to those that cannot afford insurance and draw the line at the racial divide and put more money in the governments smoke and mirrors hands to fund even more socialist agenda's!

That's my thoughts anyhow.

SteamWake · 04-07-10, 01:51 PM

Private companys cannot and will not be able to compete against the federal goverment.

tater · 04-07-10, 01:54 PM

Where to get free health care? Jail, apparently. Read that poor wording (can't blame them, no one actually read the thing, lol) means that sex offenders might get government paid viagra!

Yeah!

Zachstar · 04-07-10, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Private companys cannot and will not be able to compete against the federal goverment.

When it comes to health they had a crap poor record at even trying. What are you saying anyway? Public option got stripped.

August · 04-07-10, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zachstar

When it comes to health they had a crap poor record at even trying. What are you saying anyway? Public option got stripped.

So what exactly is this massively expensive bill going to actually accomplish then?

GoldenRivet · 04-07-10, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Every fat cat insurance company thanks you for your devotion to their cause of greater and greater CEO pay.

Well to them i say "You're welcome" because MY insurance doesnt cost a brown burning bag of dog sh*t.

because i dont effing have any... and i would be inclined to keep it that way.

but, now queen Nancy has come out saying either i buy it or go to jail?

To her i say... "your majesty - up your Royal Rosie red ass."

when i have a problem that requires a trip to the ER (3 such trips in my 31 years) i pay hard cash... thats my insurance policy, and it works for me.

if you guys want to go out and buy a Porsche... go for it. Im happy with my pickup

if you want to go out and buy a $500,000 sprawling home... go for it... im happy with my 3 bedroom home.

if you want to accept the government intrustion and be forced to buy something - good for you - but im not playing this game.

tater · 04-07-10, 02:44 PM

This bill addresses none of the real issues facing healthcare delivery in the US. AFAIK, it's to try and liberalize the electorate by making as many as possible beholden to the state, nothing more.

It piles more people on medicaid—a system that only exists by mandate, and pays so little that providers actually lose out of pocket money to treat them.

It does zero to encourage "conservative care," and in fact, since medicaid dirtballs are more likely to sue, AND medicaid pays so poorly, it actually encourages needless tests, etc, to try and run the bill up to offset the other losses.

Since the bill mentions adding more primary care docs (by magic!), but not specialists, it does not address the critical shortage of specialists. No offense to any primary care guys who might be here, but face it, you see your primary care doc when you have either nothing wrong with you, or 99% of the time, self-limiting stuff (meaning it gets better with no care at all). More GPs, contrary to claims of "preventative care" doesn't really help, you need more specialists. Instead, we have more deadbeats (medicaid) for the same number of specialists—that means longer waits. That's fine unless you have something time critical, then I guess you get to take one for the team unless you are lucky enough to be personal friends with enough specialists that you can always get squeezed in.

Actually, that might help increase the number of docs—if you want decent care for your own family, go to medical school!

BTW, the US system—warts and all—has better outcomes than anywhere else when you look at metrics not confounded by lifestyle, etc.

Zachstar · 04-07-10, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August

So what exactly is this massively expensive bill going to actually accomplish then?

Force them to try

tater · 04-07-10, 02:46 PM

Actually, you don;t have to buy insurance. This has been shown in Mass, actually.

The fine imposed is less than insurance. The law disallows charging people more WHO SHOULD BE CHARGED MORE (preexisting conditions SHOULD BE CHARGED MORE).

So pay the minimal fine, then insure yourself AFTER you become actually ill.

Profit!

tater · 04-07-10, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Force them to try

ROFL.

How?

Be precise, since clearly you've read, and understand the bill.

04-07-10, 11:42 AM	#2
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	i think i could handle this bill if it would leave me the hell alone. Problem: 10-15% of the nation is without healthcare (notice the unemployment rate sort of jives with that number? weird) Solution: AhHA! We will force everyone to buy insurance! another funny thing about free health care... My wife's insurance policy through her work YESTERDAY; the premium... doubled from $85/month to $160 the co-pay... doubled from $20 to $40 the deductible for serious procedures... doubled from $2,500 to $5,000 Dear BO and NP **** YOU __________________

04-07-10, 12:38 PM	#4
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,277 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	This bill will cause more trouble than solve. Thanks BO __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

04-07-10, 01:42 PM	#5
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	So your rates raise because Insurance companies want to virtually rape wallets before they are forced to be reasonable. And of course you blame the gov. Every fat cat insurance company thanks you for your devotion to their cause of greater and greater CEO pay. If you continue one day they may invent warp drive and just might take you with them when they go to another planet to pillage :P The bill isn't great but the bill isn't directly raising your costs. Its the trusts between the companies and their PR hitsquads claiming reducing lawsuits will magically reduce costs so everyone can get in as opposed to it somehow finding its way to the CEO as usual. __________________

04-07-10, 01:51 PM	#7
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Private companys cannot and will not be able to compete against the federal goverment. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

04-07-10, 01:50 PM	#6
Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Smoke and mirrors. Hey look at my right hand do magic tricks while my left hand is in your wallet. The ultimate goal of this bill is and always was redistribution of wealth. Remember the Communist creed....(From those that have to those that need.) This is nothing other than hey lets charge more from those that can afford insurance so that we can give it to those that cannot afford insurance and draw the line at the racial divide and put more money in the governments smoke and mirrors hands to fund even more socialist agenda's! That's my thoughts anyhow.

04-07-10, 01:54 PM	#8
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Where to get free health care? Jail, apparently. Read that poor wording (can't blame them, no one actually read the thing, lol) means that sex offenders might get government paid viagra! Yeah!

04-07-10, 02:44 PM	#12
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	This bill addresses none of the real issues facing healthcare delivery in the US. AFAIK, it's to try and liberalize the electorate by making as many as possible beholden to the state, nothing more. It piles more people on medicaid—a system that only exists by mandate, and pays so little that providers actually lose out of pocket money to treat them. It does zero to encourage "conservative care," and in fact, since medicaid dirtballs are more likely to sue, AND medicaid pays so poorly, it actually encourages needless tests, etc, to try and run the bill up to offset the other losses. Since the bill mentions adding more primary care docs (by magic!), but not specialists, it does not address the critical shortage of specialists. No offense to any primary care guys who might be here, but face it, you see your primary care doc when you have either nothing wrong with you, or 99% of the time, self-limiting stuff (meaning it gets better with no care at all). More GPs, contrary to claims of "preventative care" doesn't really help, you need more specialists. Instead, we have more deadbeats (medicaid) for the same number of specialists—that means longer waits. That's fine unless you have something time critical, then I guess you get to take one for the team unless you are lucky enough to be personal friends with enough specialists that you can always get squeezed in. Actually, that might help increase the number of docs—if you want decent care for your own family, go to medical school! BTW, the US system—warts and all—has better outcomes than anywhere else when you look at metrics not confounded by lifestyle, etc.

04-07-10, 02:46 PM	#14
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Actually, you don;t have to buy insurance. This has been shown in Mass, actually. The fine imposed is less than insurance. The law disallows charging people more WHO SHOULD BE CHARGED MORE (preexisting conditions SHOULD BE CHARGED MORE). So pay the minimal fine, then insure yourself AFTER you become actually ill. Profit!