[REL] Ail mods: Smoke, Clouds, Moon, DeckWave - Page 7

03-26-10, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ailantd

Yes, I know. I usually don´t do that, but I have no so many good cloud shapes from myself to do entire mod, so I used 4 from REX until I can go outside to take some good photographs. This way at least SH clouds are not so ugly like vanilla. Next release will have none borrow textures. Also I´m working with clouds.dat and very interesting things can be done so new release would not change only texture files.

Regards

due to the fact that he freely admits copyrighted material was used in his mods, all of the links to them were removed until such time as he can rerelease the mods without this pirated content in them.

sorry for any trouble this causes you.

astradeus · 03-27-10, 10:08 AM

a decision somewhat radical since only textures rex clouds have been use.the rest of the mod (the best mod graphic moment) are works that are personal property. Ailantd was honest in giving his sources. Like what honesty does not always pay..

03-27-10, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by astradeus

a decision somewhat radical since only textures rex clouds have been use.the rest of the mod (the best mod graphic moment) are works that are personal property. Ailantd was honest in giving his sources. Like what honesty does not always pay..

we have said over and over here at subsim we do not care what you do in your own home but do not talk about it. here he admitted it and made subsim an unwilling partner in copyright infringement.

what is so radical about banning someone who admitted to promoting stolen/pirated stuff that the copyright holder (REX) has contacted subsim and demanded it to be removed from our site?

radical would have been if he were to have had his account deleted, a week long ban isnt the end of the world even thou i admit it is a PITA as it is intended to be.

his mod links were in fact distributing pirated copyrighted content that the owner of said content does not want distributed by anyone other then those licensed to do so.

ironkross · 03-28-10, 04:04 PM

While in the brig, Ailantd has uploaded newer versions on his website (copyrighted material removed.) If anyone needs the link would it be ok to post now?

urfisch · 03-28-10, 05:19 PM

i dont understand the problem here...the material he took was not used for any commercial purpose from him. normally this is no problem. only if the material is used for commercial things you are in trouble.

ddrgn · 03-28-10, 06:01 PM

Why don't guys ripping sounds from movies and putting them into sound mods get banned too? Last I checked movies are copyrighted.

ironkross · 03-28-10, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Webster

his mod links were in fact distributing pirated copyrighted content that the owner of said content does not want distributed by anyone other then those licensed to do so.

It boils down to this; though I agree I don't see any real harm- intended or done.

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Originally Posted by Ailantd from website

AilClouds 3.0 for Silent Hunter V
By Ailantd, updated 26/3/2010
Update 3.0: Removed remaining textures not made by me from prior version. All made from scrath now.
Increase textures number from 10 to 15, the maximum alowed.
Removed cloud shapes that could be repetitive sometimes, when possible.

New cloud textures.
-Improved clouds textures.

JSGME ready.

[edit] forgot link http://www.SHMods.ailantd.com

Ark · 03-29-10, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by urfisch

i dont understand the problem here...the material he took was not used for any commercial purpose from him. normally this is no problem. only if the material is used for commercial things you are in trouble.

It's not "ok" to distribute something for free that somebody else is charging for. The clouds were from REX, which is a payware add-on for FS9/FSX. It'd be the same thing as somebody buying soemthing and then putting the files up on a DL site.

The people here who do not understand the problem with this boggle my mind. lol

urfisch · 03-29-10, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ark

It's not "ok" to distribute something for free that somebody else is charging for. The clouds were from REX, which is a payware add-on for FS9/FSX. It'd be the same thing as somebody buying soemthing and then putting the files up on a DL site.

The people here who do not understand the problem with this boggle my mind. lol

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problem is your comparison. it does not fit the overall problem of illegally distributed material. if you distribute material for free, which is a market product used from many people, so normally needs to be payed for...its a problem. cause you do harm to the original manufacturer, who can not sell as much any more - cause many people got this "product" already for free.

BUT

this only affects the normal market!!! modding is not a "market", right? so, if you use material for a hobby purpose, you do not harm anyone - quite the contrary if a community gets a benefit. this REX is very special, its not a thing like a movie, etc. - distributing a movie just for hobby purpose...fits your comparison. cause it harms the company, which benefit depends on the sale of the movies. movies are not a mod - and a mod is not a movie!!!

so please, do not mix things up and stop buggling your head, dude.

Nordmann · 03-29-10, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ddrgn

Why don't guys ripping sounds from movies and putting them into sound mods get banned too? Last I checked movies are copyrighted.

By the logic used to ban Ailantd, they should.

Ark · 03-29-10, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by urfisch

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problem is your comparison. it does not fit the overall problem of illegally distributed material. if you distribute material for free, which is a market product used from many people, so normally needs to be payed for...its a problem. cause you do harm to the original manufacturer, who can not sell as much any more - cause many people got this "product" already for free.

BUT

this only affects the normal market!!! modding is not a "market", right? so, if you use material for a hobby purpose, you do not harm anyone - quite the contrary if a community gets a benefit. this REX is very special, its not a thing like a movie, etc. - distributing a movie just for hobby purpose...fits your comparison. cause it harms the company, which benefit depends on the sale of the movies. movies are not a mod - and a mod is not a movie!!!

so please, do not mix things up and stop buggling your head, dude.

Are you serious? You honestly don't see an issue with taking software that somebody else is selling and giving it away for free? Wow. How you are able to not get it, also boggles my mind. lol My example works perfectly, you just do not understand it. In fact, it is EXACTLY what happened. Ailantd was giving away parts of a payware product for free. He was illegally distributing copyrighted material. The fact that he owned up to it, while commendable, does not change the facts.

Everything you said above has no bearing on this conversation. You are not allowed to illegally distribute somebody else's work. Period. Your comment:

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this only affects the normal market!!! modding is not a "market", right? so, if you use material for a hobby purpose, you do not harm anyone - quite the contrary if a community gets a benefit.

...is completely nonsensical.

I will break it down:

Person A buys software. (legal)
Person A gives software away for free. (Illegal)
Person B downloads software without paying. (Illegal)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement

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Copyright Infringement:
Copyright infringement (or copyright violation) is the unauthorized or prohibited use of works covered by copyright law, in a way that violates one of the copyright owner's exclusive rights, such as the right to reproduce or perform the copyrighted work, or to make derivative works.

http://www.spa.org/index.php?option=...les&Itemid=344

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Software Piracy:
The illegal copying, distribution or use of software.

http://infosat.tamu.edu/students/glossary.htm

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Software Piracy:
the unauthorized use, reproduction, distribution, or transmission of copyrighted material.

You may want to start actually reading that little paragraph called the EULA when you are installing software.

03-29-10, 12:30 PM

the images that were pirated are no longer being used and i have put his website link back into his first post for him.

03-29-10, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by urfisch

i dont understand the problem here...the material he took was not used for any commercial purpose from him. normally this is no problem. only if the material is used for commercial things you are in trouble.

- use of copyrighted material in mods

its normally its not an issue and companies usually dont object as long as you dont profit from it because big companies arent looking to pick on individuals. its just not worth it to them because they cant recover the cost of litigation with some poor individual that doesnt have any money.

in this case REX, the company who owns the copyright feels it needed to protect its product from being freely distributed and so they did object and asked for its removal so we did.

why would you pay REX to use there stuff if you can download Ail's mod and get it for free

SubV · 03-29-10, 02:07 PM

@Webster

Please, remove ban from Ailantd. He's a really talented man, without modders like him the SH5 is doomed.

Besides that, he already removed any copyrighted stuff from his mods.

Nordmann · 03-29-10, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SubV

@Webster

Please, remove ban from Ailantd. He's a really talented man, without modders like him the SH5 is doomed.

Besides that, he already removed any copyrighted stuff from his mods.

Indeed, we don't want to put the chap off. He's done some damned fine work in the past, and we want that to continue.

03-27-10, 10:08 AM	#92
astradeus A-ganger Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 76 Downloads: 281 Uploads: 0	a decision somewhat radical since only textures rex clouds have been use.the rest of the mod (the best mod graphic moment) are works that are personal property. Ailantd was honest in giving his sources. Like what honesty does not always pay.. Last edited by astradeus; 03-27-10 at 10:27 AM.

03-28-10, 04:04 PM	#94
ironkross Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Seneca, SC, USA Posts: 251 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	While in the brig, Ailantd has uploaded newer versions on his website (copyrighted material removed.) If anyone needs the link would it be ok to post now? __________________ If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together.

03-28-10, 05:19 PM	#95
urfisch Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Deep down in Germany Posts: 1,969 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	i dont understand the problem here...the material he took was not used for any commercial purpose from him. normally this is no problem. only if the material is used for commercial things you are in trouble. __________________

03-28-10, 06:01 PM	#96
ddrgn Korvettenkapitän Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 918 Downloads: 362 Uploads: 30	Why don't guys ripping sounds from movies and putting them into sound mods get banned too? Last I checked movies are copyrighted. __________________ ddrgn mods: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/member.php?u=217261

03-29-10, 12:30 PM	#102
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	the images that were pirated are no longer being used and i have put his website link back into his first post for him. Last edited by Webster; 03-29-10 at 12:59 PM.

03-29-10, 02:07 PM	#104
SubV Planesman Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Russia Posts: 187 Downloads: 182 Uploads: 4	@Webster Please, remove ban from Ailantd. He's a really talented man, without modders like him the SH5 is doomed. Besides that, he already removed any copyrighted stuff from his mods.