Organ harvesting from unwilling victim

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I heard this story from my mother who heard it from her colleague at work. An Indonesian women set a meet up with her Facebook friend while she was visiting Singapore with her parents. She excused herself when she and her family were in a restaurant but she never came back.
The family was forced to leave the country back to their home country not knowing what happened to her. After some time the family received a phone call saying that their daughter was in the hospital. They didn't inform them that she was dead. It turned out that she was already dead(they told them that she was found dead in a toilet) and had her organs removed. It's not clear from the story who harvested her organ without consent. The law in Singapore assumes that Singapore citizens are willing organ donor except the Muslims but she was not Singaporean! It's also not clear whether she was abused or sexually assaulted.

Update: It turned out it was a he and not a she. My mother made the correction after I asked her to inquire her colleague and I think I found the news here. Nothing was mentioned about meeting his face book friend too. But everything that came out from Singapore media is filtered. There's no free press there absolutely none.

http://www.asiaone.com/News/The%2BNe...18-180796.html

The news doesn't report that his organs have been harvested.

The following 2007 news covers organ harvesting legalized by the Singapore government and made compulsory to its citizens.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1544...ansplants.html

I have also found a petition to stop bestial illegal organ harvesting done by Chinese government upon Falun Gong members, Please sign the petition.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/petition/540010184

An eyewitness has recounted in vivid detail the story of a woman in china a high school teacher in her 30s who was detained, tortured, raped, and finally operated on to extract her organs while she was still alive.

I have witnessed all these with my own eyes, but I regret that I didnt take any photos, he said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
This testimony is the first eyewitness account of harvesting organs from a living Falun Gong practitioner. The Epoch Times broke the story of organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners in March 2006, but The Epoch Times investigations and those of independent researchers have relied on forms of evidence other than eyewitness testimony.

A 30-minute interview, in two separate conversations, was carried out by an investigator from the World Organization to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong (WOIPFG), and a recording is available on its Web site.

Organ Harvesting in china



The events took place in 2002, but investigators located the policeman only this month.

According to the interview transcript, the witness worked for the public security system of Liaoning Province in 2002 and he himself had participated in torturing and interrogating Falun Gong practitioners many times.

On April 9, 2002, two military surgeons came to the makeshift black jail, a small hotel rented as a training center, according to the witness. One of the military surgeons was from the General Hospital of Shenyang Military Region of the people's liberation army , and the other one was a graduate of the Second Military Medical University, he said. They took the woman to a hospital.

At that time, we had been interrogating and severely torturing her for about a week, he said. She already had countless wounds on her body. Also, we used electrical batons to beat her. She had already become delirious.

"Prior to this, she suffered even greater humiliation," he said. "Many of our policemen were perverted. They were using pincers and other equipment that I don’t know from where they got them to molest her. ... She had some good looks, relatively beautiful,so the policemen were raping her. ... This was far too common."

The policeman said he was on armed guard duty in the room while he watched the surgeons cut the womans chest open while she was still alive. No anesthetics were used, he said.

They cut her chest with a knife, he said. She shouted loudly, saying Falun Dafa is great.She said, You killed me, one individual.

At that moment, that doctor, that military surgeon, hesitated. Then he looked at me, then at our policemens superior. Then our superior nodded, and he continued to do the veins. … Her heart was carved out first, next were the kidneys. When her cardiac veins were cut by the scissors, she started twitching. It was extremely horrible. I can imitate her voice for you, although I couldnt imitate it well. It sounded like something was being ripped apart, and then she continued After that, she always had her mouth wide open, with both her eyes open wide. I dont want to continue.

The organ harvesting took place in an operating room on the 15th floor of the General Hospital of Shenyang Military Region, the witness said. It began at 5 p.m. and lasted 3 hours.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/petition/540010184

[Dowly]

If we're starting to post every eyewitness statement and story that "my friend's cousin's doghouse builder told" this forum is going to fill up REEEAL soon.

Not saying there isn't a problem, but we propably best stick to proven facts.

Just my opinion of course.

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Originally Posted by Dowly

If we're starting to post every eyewitness statement and story that "my friend's cousin's doghouse builder told" this forum is going to fill up REEEAL soon.

Not saying there isn't a problem, but we propably best stick to proven facts.

Just my opinion of course.

Agree I'm going to try to ask for the source.
And if couldn't you're welcome not to treat the face book meet up story as fact yet but there are many things that don't go into the newspaper that I've learned for sure. And I've known personally what Singapore truly is so such story could very well be true.

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A report on bestial organ harvesting on Falun Gong practitioners in China

http://organharvestinvestigation.net...rt20070131.htm

Most of the excerpted phone call texts are in an appendix. For illustration purposes, excerpts of three conversations follow:

(1) Mishan City Detention Centre, Heilongjiang province (8 June 2006):

M: "Do you have Falun Gong [organ] suppliers? ..."
Li: "We used to have, yes."
M: "... what about now?"
Li: "... Yes."
...
M: "Can we come to select, or you provide directly to us?"
Li: "We provide them to you."
M: "What about the price?"
Li: "We discuss after you come."
...
M: "... How many [Falun Gong suppliers] under age 40 do you have?"
Li: "Quite a few."
...
M: "Are they male or female?"
Li: "Male"
...
M: "Now, for ... the male Falun Gong [prisoners], How many of them do you have?"
Li: "Seven, eight, we have [at least] five, six now."
M: "Are they from countryside or from the city?"
Li: "countryside."

(2) Nanning City Minzu Hospital in Guangxi Autonomous Region
(22 May 2006):

M: "...Could you find organs from Falun Gong practitioners?"
Dr. Lu: "Let me tell you, we have no way to get (them). It's rather difficult to get it now in Guangxi. If you cannot wait, I suggest you go to Guangzhou because it's very easy for them to get the organs. They are able to look for (them) nation wide. As they are performing the liver transplant, they can get the kidney for you at the same time, so it's very easy for them to do. Many places where supplies are short go to them for help..."
M: "Why is it easy for them to get?"
Lu: "Because they are an important institution. They contact the (judicial) system in the name of the whole university."
M: "Then they use organs from Falun Gong practitioners?"
Lu: "Correct..."
M: "...what you used before (organs from Falun Gong practitioners), was it from detention centre(s) or prison(s)?"
Lu: "From prisons."
M: "...and it was from healthy Falun Gong practitioners...?"
Lu: "Correct. We would choose the good ones because we assure the quality in our operation."
M: "That means you choose the organs yourself."
Lu: "Correct..."
M: "Usually, how old is the organ supplier?"
Lu: "Usually in their thirties."
M: "... Then you will go to the prison to select yourself?"
Lu: "Correct. We must select it."
M: "What if the chosen one doesn't want to have blood drawn?"
Lu: "He will for sure let us do it."
M: "How?"
Lu: "They will for sure find a way. What do you worry about? These kinds of things should not be of any concern to you. They have their procedures."
M: "Does the person know that his organ will be removed?"
Lu: "No, he doesn't."

(3) Oriental Organ Transplant Centre (also called Tianjin City No 1 Central Hospital), Tianjin City, (15 March 2006):

N: Is this Director Song?"
Song: Yes, please speak."
...
N: Her doctor told her that the kidney is quite good because he
[the supplier,] practises ...Falun Gong."
Song: Of course. We have all those who breathe and with heart beat...Up until now, for this year, we have more than ten kidneys, more than ten such kidneys."
N: "More than ten of this kind of kidneys? You mean live bodies?"
Song: "Yes it is so."

Caller M called about 80 some hospitals. When calling hospitals in some cases M asked for specific doctors in the called hospitals, and was able to speak to transplant doctors. 10 hospitals admitted they use Falun Gong practitioners as organ suppliers. M also called back to talk to the doctors. 5 hospitals said they can obtain Falun Gong practitioners as organ suppliers. 14 hospitals admitted they use live organs from prisoners. 10 hospitals said the source of organs is a secret and they could not reveal it over the phone.

Caller N made calls to close to 40 hospitals in China, out of which 5 admitted to using Falun Gong practitioner organs. N also called back to talk to the doctors who made these admissions. They were still reachable at the hospitals. N also made calls to 36 various detention centres and the Courts in China, out of which 4 admitted to using Falun Gong practitioner organs.

When calling hospitals, in some cases N would ask for specific doctors in the hospitals called and was able to speak to transplant doctors. N's style was to ask directly the called party, the doctors in the hospitals etc, if they use Falun Gong practitioners' organs.

The typical response she got was that the caller did not expect this question at all, and would pause for a while to think how to respond. After the pause, about 80% did not admit that they used Falun Gong practitioners' organs. About 80% of those who did not admit to using Falun Gong practitioners' organs did admit that they use live bodies who are prisoners. Less than 10 people simply hung up the phone once they heard the question about Falun Gong practitioners.

Not to make light of this subject but, well maybe a little.

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Well it's funny but the real thing is not even slightly funny