[WIP] SH5 True Dynamic Campaign

[R-T-B]

Originally Posted by Hell_Diver

hey ive got another idea.. i dont know if it would be possible or not.. but i always hate that i have to leave my uboat docked for a month or tow when RTB, and i miss portions of the war.. would it be possible to give the player command of two separate uboats.. so that while one is refitting in port, you can take the second one out.. that way you wont miss much of the war, and when you RTB your other boat will be refitted and ready to sail out again.. i think this idea is awesome, maybe needs its own mod though

Yeah, I don't know how I'd accomplish that unfortunately.

First screenshot from the engine:





Based on these results, I think I need to implement "attack regions." The Axis declaring war on New Zealand isn't cool. Germany should historically only attack european targets, and if anyone is attcking New Zealand, it should be Japan.

Also, the war dec formula needs to take allied strength into account.

Don't worrk, I am working on it.

so the axis declared war on new Zeland and the UK did nothing? should that trigger the UK declaring war on Germany?

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Yes, It should. I simply posted that for humour purposes. I've now fixed that bug.

Plus the Axis nations are much less likely to declare war outside of it's turf now.

Can't wait, this was the only drawback to SH3.

Possibly too, if you sink the Ark Royal or any other ship it will be gone for the rest of the campaign. Will that be possible? Can we do this, once ships are sunk they will not appear again in the campaign?

[R-T-B]

Originally Posted by pditty8811

Can't wait, this was the only drawback to SH3.

Possibly too, if you sink the Ark Royal or any other ship it will be gone for the rest of the campaign. Will that be possible? Can we do this, once ships are sunk they will not appear again in the campaign?

That's certainly possible. Actually, it's in the roadmap. Won't be in first release though.

As you guys may have picked up, the first real release will be barebones, but will allow adding of many many features in the future.

[R-T-B]

The Region system is just about done. Just for kicks, here's what the Axis is thinking in my current engine. Keep in mind the allies have no AI yet, so only the axis can declare war. Also, since the war system is not implemented yet, neighther side can do any damage, so it's quite pointless but it does show that the AI is thinking right.

Here it is, our first very very incomplete log, but a log nontheless!

9/1/1939: GER has declared war on POL
11/1/1939: ITA has declared war on BEL
12/1/1939: GER has declared war on BEL
2/1/1940: ITA has declared war on POL
3/1/1940: GER has declared war on GRE
4/1/1940: ARG has been the victim of right wing coup!
5/1/1940: ITA has declared war on DEN
7/1/1940: ARG has declared war on DEN
10/1/1940: ARG has declared war on NOR
3/1/1941: GER has declared war on FRA
3/1/1941: JAP has declared war on USA
9/1/1941: GER has declared war on NET
9/1/1941: JAP has declared war on AUS
12/1/1941: GER has declared war on DEN
6/1/1942: JAP has declared war on CAN
6/1/1942: ITA has declared war on FRA
8/1/1942: JAP has declared war on NZL
9/1/1942: ITA has declared war on USA
10/1/1942: JAP has declared war on SOA
12/1/1942: ITA has declared war on ENG
5/1/1945: IRE has been the victim of a left wing coup!

As you can see, there are still a few glitches. Notably, the commonwealth isn't responding to war decs properly, but that's mostly because their AI is turned off. Don't be confused by all the war declerations though, it won't be like that in the real game... The Axis just thinks it's winning since the Allied AI is disabled. As such, they take advantage of the situation by picking new targets. Italy even got so bold towards the end as to take on the USA.

Nice, eh?

[Nightcloak]

nice indeed

[R-T-B]

Just another before bed time:

8/1/1939: GER has declared war on POL
8/1/1939: GER has gone to war without justification! International outcry ensues.
12/1/1939: JAP has declared war on RUS
6/1/1940: GER has declared war on FRA
8/1/1940: GRE has been the victim of a left wing coup!
6/1/1941: GER has declared war on BEL
6/1/1942: GER has declared war on NET
10/1/1942: PAN has been the victim of right wing coup!
6/1/1943: JAP has declared war on AUS
8/1/1943: RUS has been the victim of right wing coup!
8/1/1943: RUS has declared war on AUS
3/1/1944: RUS has declared war on CAN
6/1/1944: JAP has declared war on CAN

As you can see, the scenarios are getting more and more believable all the time, only thing wrong with that one is Japan and Russia siding with eachother...

Regardless, I'm going to finish the allied AI tomorrow morning. My bet is when the Axis finally gets something to play against, these logs will get real interesting, real fast.

And the best part is, before long those dates on the side will translate into events in a Silent Hunter 5 campaign.

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Here's a war log with the "Verbose" action checked, from 1939 to 1945. This literally says EVERYTHING the countries are doing. The Axis AI is still the only functional one, but as you can see, it is working quite well and realisticly. I bolded the interesting parts.

Not bad for less than a weeks work. I also fixed the date bug (events would only happen on the 1st of a month):

8/22/1939: GER has declared war on POL
8/22/1939: GER has gone to war without justification! International outcry ensues.
8/22/1939: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 8185
9/27/1939: GER has attempted to improve relations with ICE. Relations are now at: -31
9/27/1939: JAP is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 3148
10/30/1939: JAP has threatened RUS. Relations are now at: -30
10/30/1939: ITA is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 1830
12/4/1939: ITA has threatened RUS. Relations are now at: -35
1/4/1940: GER is experiencing an economic depression!
1/4/1940: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 8324
1/24/1940: GER has threatened PAN. Relations are now at: -88
1/24/1940: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 3580
3/2/1940: JAP has threatened RUS. Relations are now at: -55
3/2/1940: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 2051
3/4/1940: ITA has threatened RUS. Relations are now at: -65
4/4/1940: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 8463
5/5/1940: GER has threatened PAN. Relations are now at: -103
5/5/1940: JAP is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 3228
6/12/1940: JAP has threatened RUS. Relations are now at: -70
6/12/1940: ITA is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 1881
7/16/1940: ITA has threatened RUS. Relations are now at: -80
8/16/1940: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 8602
9/22/1940: GER has threatened IRE. Relations are now at: -88
9/22/1940: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 3662
11/9/1940: JAP has threatened RUS. Relations are now at: -85
11/9/1940: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 2104
12/26/1940: ITA has threatened RUS. Relations are now at: -95
1/26/1941: GER is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 5681
3/5/1941: GER has threatened IRE. Relations are now at: -103
3/5/1941: JAP is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 3310
3/29/1941: JAP has threatened RUS. Relations are now at: -100
3/29/1941: ITA is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 1934
5/2/1941: ITA has threatened RUS. Relations are now at: -110
6/2/1941: USA is experiencing an economic boom!
6/2/1941: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 8745
6/21/1941: GER has threatened LIT. Relations are now at: -88
6/21/1941: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 3746
6/30/1941: ITA is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 1988
8/4/1941: GER has declared war on LIT
8/4/1941: GER has gone to war without justification! International outcry ensues.
8/4/1941: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 8888
8/22/1941: GER has attempted to improve relations with NOR. Relations are now at: -77
8/22/1941: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 3830
9/12/1941: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 2159
10/11/1941: AUS is experiencing an economic boom!
11/11/1941: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 9031
11/13/1941: JAP is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 3394
11/23/1941: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 2214
1/10/1942: GER is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 5824
2/7/1942: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 3916
2/28/1942: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 2269
4/20/1942: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 9177
4/20/1942: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 4002
5/17/1942: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 2324
7/4/1942: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 9323
7/25/1942: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 4088
8/4/1942: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 2379
9/22/1942: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 9469
9/28/1942: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 4174
10/16/1942: ITA is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 2043
12/11/1942: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 9615
12/16/1942: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 4260
12/29/1942: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 2436
2/12/1943: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 9761
3/14/1943: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 4346
3/31/1943: ITA is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 2100
5/24/1943: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 9907
5/26/1943: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 4432
6/15/1943: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 2494
8/3/1943: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 10053
8/8/1943: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 4518
9/2/1943: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 2552
10/30/1943: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 10199
11/24/1943: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 4604
12/6/1943: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 2610
1/31/1944: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 10345
2/9/1944: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 4690
2/29/1944: ITA is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 2158
3/29/1944: CUB has been the victim of right wing coup!
3/29/1944: CUB is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 51
4/22/1944: CUB has threatened RUS. Relations are now at: -55
5/22/1944: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 10491
5/28/1944: JAP is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 3480
6/1/1944: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 2669
6/25/1944: CUB is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 81
8/12/1944: CUB has threatened RUS. Relations are now at: -70
9/12/1944: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 10637
9/29/1944: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 4779
10/26/1944: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 2728
11/21/1944: CUB is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 62
1/16/1945: CUB has threatened RUS. Relations are now at: -85
2/16/1945: GER is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 5970
2/27/1945: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 4868
3/21/1945: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 2787
4/3/1945: CUB is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 92
5/18/1945: CUB has threatened RUS. Relations are now at: -100
6/18/1945: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 10787
6/28/1945: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 4957
7/25/1945: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 2846
8/14/1945: CUB is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 103
10/13/1945: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 10937
10/26/1945: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 5046
11/12/1945: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 2905
12/10/1945: CUB is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 114
1/15/1946: GER is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 6120
2/13/1946: JAP is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 3569
2/19/1946: ITA is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 2217
2/19/1946: CUB is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 73
4/12/1946: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 11091
4/12/1946: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 5137
5/6/1946: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 2966
5/17/1946: CUB is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 125
6/19/1946: GER is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 6274
7/5/1946: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 5228
7/8/1946: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 3027
8/4/1946: CUB is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 136
9/6/1946: GER is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 6431
9/20/1946: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 5319
9/27/1946: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 3088
10/3/1946: CUB is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 147
11/3/1946: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 11252
11/8/1946: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 5410
11/24/1946: ITA is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 2278
11/28/1946: CUB is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 158
1/7/1947: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 11413
1/21/1947: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 5501
2/11/1947: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 3150
2/24/1947: CUB is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 84
3/27/1947: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 11574
4/19/1947: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 5592
5/10/1947: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 3212
5/14/1947: CUB is experiencing an economic boom!
5/14/1947: CUB is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 170
6/30/1947: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 11735
7/25/1947: JAP is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 3660
7/30/1947: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 3274
8/4/1947: CUB is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 182
9/23/1947: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 11896
10/12/1947: JAP is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 3753
10/15/1947: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 3336
10/20/1947: CUB is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 194
11/25/1947: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 12057
12/23/1947: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 5687
1/11/1948: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 3398
1/11/1948: CUB is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 117
2/6/1948: NOR is experiencing an economic boom!
3/6/1948: GER is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 6592
3/17/1948: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 5782
3/17/1948: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 3460
3/23/1948: CUB is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 206
5/4/1948: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 12222
5/8/1948: JAP is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 3848
5/11/1948: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 3522
6/1/1948: CUB is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 218
8/1/1948: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 12387
8/14/1948: JAP is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 3946
8/20/1948: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 3584
9/9/1948: CUB is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 230
11/8/1948: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 12552
12/8/1948: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 5882
12/22/1948: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 3646
12/28/1948: CUB is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 242
2/4/1949: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 12717
2/10/1949: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 5982
3/9/1949: ITA is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 2340
3/11/1949: CUB is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 254
4/16/1949: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 12882
5/5/1949: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 6082
5/22/1949: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 3710
5/30/1949: CUB has been the victim of a left wing coup!
6/30/1949: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 13047
7/24/1949: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 6182
8/22/1949: RUS is experiencing an economic depression!
8/22/1949: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 3774
10/4/1949: GER is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 13212
10/9/1949: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 6282
10/22/1949: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 3838
11/28/1949: GER is building up its economy. Industry is now at: 6757
12/23/1949: JAP is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 6382
1/8/1950: ITA is building up its armed forces. Military is now at: 3902

When the allied AI is finished, I will release the first public demo (non game-interactional version). You will also all recieve a copy of the source code should you wish to contribute, but I will retain all rights to my work and any changes you submit. This will likely be the only source release before the final release, which will cost money. Don't build your own product off of this and try and sell it.

If you want to be ready for the demo, I suggest you install the free excel reader if you don't have excel. The demo (and final product) depend on excel libraries to work.

You can get the reader for free here:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

[xiombargdei]

Originally Posted by R-T-B

WHERE I NEED HELP:

I need help with the following arbitrary figures I am using: Industrial Capacity, Military Strength, Diplomatic relations. I need to generate an excel document of the initial relations as of August 1939 (when the game will start), and an excel document for industrial capacity and military strength. These figures are arbitrary and only represent percentages against other nations. If anyone could provide me a good resource to figure out the approximate strength in each catagory of each nation relative to each other, I'd be most appreciative, as it's proving too much for me.

browsing through the mod threads i stumbled on this. I'm not a modder in any extent. But if you are looking for good and reliable info, video-game wise, about industrial capacity and such, you might find interest in the game Hearts of Iron 3. Its an historical wargame simulation of WWII, its not perfect, but it tends to. Could this give you a good work basis to start your mighty project ?

[R-T-B]

Originally Posted by xiombargdei

browsing through the mod threads i stumbled on this. I'm not a modder in any extent. But if you are looking for good and reliable info, video-game wise, about industrial capacity and such, you might find interest in the game Hearts of Iron 3. Its an historical wargame simulation of WWII, its not perfect, but it tends to. Could this give you a good work basis to start your mighty project ?

I was using Making History as a foundation, but yes, HoI is good too. In the end I got that part worked out pretty well, there'll be a test demo out soon.

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Just a small update and bump for anyone who wants to give input on that matter.

I've nearly finished the allied and neutral AIs. Actually, the neutral and axis is completely finished, but I still am having some interacting glitches between them and the allies. I should have a demo up soon.

[Frizzo]

sweet

[ShadowWolf Kell]

This definitely sounds interesting.

Don't get me wrong, I like the typical "WW2 Experience" style sim that only presents history... But on the otherhand you get tired of that after awhile and would like to see something far more dynamic.

That's one of the reasons I liked playing Falcon 4.0 so much. You could play the same campaign 5 times, and each time it played out quite a bit differently. I was really surprised just how effective CAI missions could be, and taking out key strategic bridges to slow and funnel the enemy advance. Of course you might have to take the bridges out again because they could be repaired.

Imagine a pacific theatre game where the Japanese manage to intercept and destroy the Hornet while it's steaming towards Japan, and later sink the Big E at Midway. Oh yes, the outcome of the war would have drastically changed at that point.

It's intruiging that this is possible with SH5. The only real issue I see really is some of the gross blunders both Hitler and Goring forced upon the Luftwaffe, Kreigsmarine and Wermacht. The aftermath of some of those blunders were extremely pivotal points in the war that cost the Germans dearly.

[Sledgehammer427]

R-T-B, have you found a way to drag the game campaign past 1943?
I am probably too interested in this mod for my own good, but the devs at UBI Bucharest gave us a dynamic campaign, by jove, let's make it REALLY dynamic
I will be watching this thread, count on it