UBI, Will it be the last Subsim made

corvette k225 · 03-04-10, 01:09 PM

For the folks that have SH5.Will this be the last Subsim that will be made by UBI ? I will not vote because I donnot have SH5. Just thinking what the sales are going to be like.

CCIP · 03-04-10, 01:11 PM

Why would WE know that? That's up to Ubi. And it's too early to talk about it, they're still not done with its development/patching cycle. That's not something that will be known for months or years ahead. And anyone who says otherwise is full of baloney.

ReallyDedPoet · 03-04-10, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

Why would WE know that? That's up to Ubi. And it's too early to talk about it, they're still not done with its development/patching cycle. That's not something that will be known for months or years ahead. And anyone who says otherwise is full of baloney.

Have gone through SH4 from 1.0-1.5 I agree, the process is far from over. Is it a shame that the game was released unfinished, yes, but I would not right it off yet.

SteamWake · 03-04-10, 01:18 PM

SH4 was the last subsim made.

This is a FPS submarine game not really a simulator.

Sailor Steve · 03-04-10, 01:19 PM

Well, if it turns out it can't be modded as much as they say, and it can't be fixed, then it just might kill the franchise.

On the other hand, if it turns out to be as moddable as it looks like it might be, there might not be a need for another one.

But CCIP is correct: There is no way to answer that question, so yet again I didn't vote.

pythos · 03-04-10, 01:20 PM

Seeing the slew of mean, thoughtless, and downright wrong statements made by people that don't even have the product...I wonder why Ubi kept developing the game. I was surprised the idea of a fifth was even ventured follwing the debacle known as Silent Hunter 4.

I hope it is not the last subsim from Ubi, but I would not be surprised if it is.

Sailor Steve · 03-04-10, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

SH4 was the last subsim made.

This is a FPS submarine game not really a simulator.

Yer a mean one, Mr Grinch!

Nordmann · 03-04-10, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pythos

Seeing the slew of mean, thoughtless, and downright wrong statements made by people that don't even have the product...I wonder why Ubi kept developing the game. I was surprised the idea of a fifth was even ventured follwing the debacle known as Silent Hunter 4.

I hope it is not the last subsim from Ubi, but I would not be surprised if it is.

If you release unfinished and problematic software, expect the community to venture forth a harsh response. They have no one but themselves to blame, and if they decide not follow up with further releases, oh well, at least we have SH3, 4 and now 5 (assuming it's fixable). That's more than most niche markets usually get, and to be fair, any lack of success is purely down to their business practices.

Personally, I don't think we've seen the last of Silent Hunter, but what form it now takes is still very much the question.

gutted · 03-04-10, 01:42 PM

We're only mean and critical because of our love for the series.

If it was released in this state without much fuss.. it would be a signal that no-one cared and the genre was indeed dead.

Back when i used to play WW2OL, i always said that the day people stopped bitching about a new point release was the day it would die.

Kresge · 03-04-10, 01:42 PM

It seems that it's time for another publisher to take over the series or start anew. This team has not really improved upon what they started with and, in fact, appear to be drifting away from most of the aspects we enjoy in a sub sim.

03-04-10, 01:47 PM

SteamWake is right, the question raised in the poll is not correct, this is not a submarine simulation game, so there can't be some relevant answers. In fact, even SH3 and SH4 weren't simulators completely, but at least, they had around 20-30% simulator odour. And really, the graphics are not so great, except the water, maybe ... The people look like zombies, the perspective is somehow like in fist HalfLife of the series and so on. It's strange, a lot of people are talking about how amazing are the graphics, but they really aren't, so even in the shooter/RPG area the game is a failure. I've really tried to play it, but everything is so unintuitive and bizarre.

Iron Budokan · 03-04-10, 01:53 PM

Frankly, if this is the direction they think submarine simulations need to go, a Frankenstein's monster pastiche of RPG/Console/Arcade/Unlockable Content, then I hope this is the last time Ubi will ever try to make one.

But, like aways, sales will determine that. Given what I've read so far, however....

Seriously. I have NEVER seen as much anger, bitterness and frustration over a Silent Hunter game as I have seen in the last twenty-four hours from gamers. Ubi totally screwed the pooch on this one. They took a fantastic franchise that was flying at 10.000 feet with SH3 and augured it right into the ground.

It's time some other company had a chance at this, imo. Ubi...well, let's face facts. We've come to know what to expect from Ubi, haven't we? No one should be surprised. As far as sub sims go SH3 was their zenith. SH5 is on the fast track to being their nadir.

I'm sorry for the people who bought the game and aren't happy. But, boy, am I ever glad I saved my hard-earned money.

03-04-10, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Iron Budokan

I'm sorry for the people who bought the game and aren't happy. But, boy, am I ever glad I saved my hard-earned money.

You know, I am already at the point called "Forget about the money...". Really, it's not about money anymore for me, it's about all that I've dreamt this game will be capable to offer us, and the big nothing, emptiness that hit me. I am speaking for myself, for other this may be a great game. I was pretty angry to elaniba and the dev team, but now I am starting to feel some empathy, some kind of pity. I am starting to realize that this is their level of capabilities, it's not about the UBI suits direction. I was angry because I've thought that they can do a lot better, but they are not allowed, by time constraints, by UBI marketing decisions, by the mood phases, but now I begin to understand. And it's sad.
I've really swallowed my anger. And I am willing to help them in any way that I can, they woke up mercy feelings in me. We had higher expectation than the level they are able to achieve. They are not to blame, we are. All those details that made SH3 and SH4 playable and enjoyable were added by modders. The devs just put us on the plate a raw material, without an artistic or aesthetic form. The modders were the Michelangelos, the devs were just the ones that brought the raw stone to the moders workshop and throw it on the ground, cleaning themselves of the sweat and dirt after that. And of the responsibilities as well. The history is just repeating in some way, but the worst possible one till now.

Jeevz · 03-04-10, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Iron Budokan

Seriously. I have NEVER seen as much anger, bitterness and frustration over a Silent Hunter game as I have seen in the last twenty-four hours from gamers.

I have, right after SH4 and SH3 were each released. Especially 4.

FIREWALL · 03-04-10, 02:22 PM

I don't need a poll, this is a No Brainer.

If it doesn't sell, I hope you all didn't throw away your SH3\SH4 discs.

But... Since it hasn't even been delivered to some countries AND... hasn't been fully Patched yet AND... Our modders haven't had that much time with it. Then and only THEN...

TIME WILL TELL. The rest is just BS and Sour Grapes.

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03-04-10, 01:09 PM	#1
corvette k225 Lieutenant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: USA Posts: 254 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	UBI, Will it be the last Subsim made For the folks that have SH5.Will this be the last Subsim that will be made by UBI ? I will not vote because I donnot have SH5. Just thinking what the sales are going to be like.

03-04-10, 01:11 PM	#2
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Why would WE know that? That's up to Ubi. And it's too early to talk about it, they're still not done with its development/patching cycle. That's not something that will be known for months or years ahead. And anyone who says otherwise is full of baloney. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-04-10, 01:18 PM	#4
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	SH4 was the last subsim made. This is a FPS submarine game not really a simulator. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

03-04-10, 01:19 PM	#5
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Well, if it turns out it can't be modded as much as they say, and it can't be fixed, then it just might kill the franchise. On the other hand, if it turns out to be as moddable as it looks like it might be, there might not be a need for another one. But CCIP is correct: There is no way to answer that question, so yet again I didn't vote. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

03-04-10, 01:20 PM	#6
pythos Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere over there Posts: 834 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Seeing the slew of mean, thoughtless, and downright wrong statements made by people that don't even have the product...I wonder why Ubi kept developing the game. I was surprised the idea of a fifth was even ventured follwing the debacle known as Silent Hunter 4. I hope it is not the last subsim from Ubi, but I would not be surprised if it is.

03-04-10, 01:42 PM	#9
gutted The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Orleans, LA. Posts: 1,379 Downloads: 487 Uploads: 11	We're only mean and critical because of our love for the series. If it was released in this state without much fuss.. it would be a signal that no-one cared and the genre was indeed dead. Back when i used to play WW2OL, i always said that the day people stopped bitching about a new point release was the day it would die.

03-04-10, 01:42 PM	#10
Kresge Engineer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Motor City Posts: 209 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	It seems that it's time for another publisher to take over the series or start anew. This team has not really improved upon what they started with and, in fact, appear to be drifting away from most of the aspects we enjoy in a sub sim. __________________ ". . . sailors do not fancy living underwater without breathing in sunshine occasionally." Commodore Joseph Smith commenting on the USS Monitor

03-04-10, 01:47 PM	#11
Gunnodayak Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	SteamWake is right, the question raised in the poll is not correct, this is not a submarine simulation game, so there can't be some relevant answers. In fact, even SH3 and SH4 weren't simulators completely, but at least, they had around 20-30% simulator odour. And really, the graphics are not so great, except the water, maybe ... The people look like zombies, the perspective is somehow like in fist HalfLife of the series and so on. It's strange, a lot of people are talking about how amazing are the graphics, but they really aren't, so even in the shooter/RPG area the game is a failure. I've really tried to play it, but everything is so unintuitive and bizarre.

03-04-10, 01:53 PM	#12
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Ubi = Mega Game Fail Frankly, if this is the direction they think submarine simulations need to go, a Frankenstein's monster pastiche of RPG/Console/Arcade/Unlockable Content, then I hope this is the last time Ubi will ever try to make one. But, like aways, sales will determine that. Given what I've read so far, however.... Seriously. I have NEVER seen as much anger, bitterness and frustration over a Silent Hunter game as I have seen in the last twenty-four hours from gamers. Ubi totally screwed the pooch on this one. They took a fantastic franchise that was flying at 10.000 feet with SH3 and augured it right into the ground. It's time some other company had a chance at this, imo. Ubi...well, let's face facts. We've come to know what to expect from Ubi, haven't we? No one should be surprised. As far as sub sims go SH3 was their zenith. SH5 is on the fast track to being their nadir. I'm sorry for the people who bought the game and aren't happy. But, boy, am I ever glad I saved my hard-earned money. __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

03-04-10, 02:22 PM	#15
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	I don't need a poll, this is a No Brainer. If it doesn't sell, I hope you all didn't throw away your SH3\SH4 discs. But... Since it hasn't even been delivered to some countries AND... hasn't been fully Patched yet AND... Our modders haven't had that much time with it. Then and only THEN... TIME WILL TELL. The rest is just BS and Sour Grapes.