What does elenaiba say... - Page 2

JU_88 · 03-04-10, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by urfisch

...to all this critiscm? I recently bought it due to modding wants. Havent played it yet, but i read all this negative vibes from objective members here...who havent complained about the game before and are now deeply upset with it.

I thought about, what do you think on all this? As a man.

Who/where are these objective members who are so upset? apart from GRs well written assesment Ive not seen anyone really upset with it.
If anything there was much more negativity here before it got released.

Most who have played it voted it as being a good game but in need of work.
And I think Dan could use a little break no?

piri_reis · 03-04-10, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

It seems that you, mate, don't have the required manners to belong to this forum. I do, maybe you should learn from me how to speak and how to choose your words.
Maybe some moderator should see these words you've just spoken to me.

You're all manners mate. Keep at it, we shall see the result.

IanC · 03-04-10, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JU_88

Who/where are these objective members who are so upset? apart from GRs well written assesment Ive not seen anyone really upset with it.
If anything there was much more negativity here before it got released.

Most who have played it voted it as being a good game but in need of work.
And I think Dan could use a little break no?

Umm... are you reading the same threads I am?

JU_88 · 03-04-10, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by IanC

Umm... are you reading the same threads I am?

I guess not

, been too busy with my new born child these past few days

, have only had chance to catch up now, is it really that bad?

elanaiba · 03-04-10, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by urfisch

...to all this critiscm? I recently bought it due to modding wants. Havent played it yet, but i read all this negative vibes from objective members here...who havent complained about the game before and are now deeply upset with it.

I thought about, what do you think on all this? As a man.

Well, I cannot post everything that I could say, indeed. But still:

Negative Feedback received about Silent Hunter generally fits into the following categories:

A - wrong expectations (some thing are just not in the scope of sh5)
B - legitimate concerns about bugs and unfinished features - Most are NOT news to me, since I have a list bigger than the forum. Trust me, you cannot match my expectations - but then again, the same could be said by most of the serious, passionate game developers out there.
C - legitimate concerns about some design choices - like for example the interface. Part of these I can understand, but I am not that concerned since most can be fixed easily by modding. Getting a SH4 style interface back in the game is very easy.

As I was saying in another thread, I have no reservations that WITH TIME (equal patches + mods) this will be THE ONLY SUBSIM TO PLAY. Calling this game arcade is wrong, its no more arcade than SH3 or 4. Calling this an RPG is partly wrong, is simply as simulation as the games before but with an extra layer of RPG like crew development.

I am not at all happy with the current state of the RPG parts (long story) but:
a) nobody is forcing people to use them
b) they can be modded into something more realistic

I will stand by the concept of the RPG parts any day, because I have read enough books to understand that some things that happen in war are simply not justified by technical specifications and field manuals. At some point the man is the one that matters the most.

Before I close this down, I have two more things to say:

1) Ubisoft is a company, of which Ubisoft Romania is a part. Please stop separating the two. Not everything that is good is our merit, not everything that is bad is "the suits" fault. I, of all people, have my parts in the failures of SH5. The people "high up" could have simply decided not to do another SH, just as you guys can choose not to buy.

2) Please stop trying to create a war / antagonism between modders and devs, we need each other.

So, for my final statement of the day, NO, I am not happy with the state of SH5. Of course, except for SH3 - which was not perfect either - I have never been happy with the release of any of my projects.

I have much trust in the potential of SH5, but I am not a fortune teller. Did I quit my job after the launch? No. Am I not a man? I wonder.

People might not buy the game, miss on fun, and not suffer any problems that the game has at the moment. But for the guys that did invest their trust in us, I'd say they need us here.

Yes, Gunnodayak, it took me time to write this long answer, and I waited for the lunchbreak in order not to disturb my current work assignments.

urfisch · 03-04-10, 06:54 AM

this is an answer, as i exspected.

i appreciate your honesty, very much!!! thanks a lot for this answer. i really trust in your efforts, dan. we never met, but to the last subsim meetings...i heard youre really nice guy. i believe in that. please stay in close contact to the community here.

as we need to mod the game...is there any manual coming, concerning the mod tools? i bought it, although i first didnt wanted to. but i see the potential of this game...and i want to mod it. but we modders need some more explaination on the tools.

HundertzehnGustav · 03-04-10, 06:54 AM

Thank you for this quite honest post.

piri_reis · 03-04-10, 06:57 AM

Dan is here answering things, taking responsibility and being honest.
Not everybody can do this, I respect your actions and thank you Dan.
It might be a long road, but not giving up before trying

Yskonyn · 03-04-10, 07:01 AM

An honest reply, Ela.
I work in the aviation sector, where people always have an opinion about everything as well, despite most of them don't know what they're talking about.
Being a game dev is rather similar in that respect I guess. Did I quit my job yet? No, certainly not and I am glad to see you didn't either.

People are just that way, especially on the net. They have this urge to write their opinion, make their voice heard.

Of course you will find valid statements often as well, no doubt. But there's a lot of yelling going on by people with little understanding of the matter (look at politics, aviation, development, you name it).

Nobody wants to bite the hand that feeds them, nor should you. I think your honest statement is appreciated and while, of course in all honesty it is questionable as to why it should be this way, let's just hope the community will unite once again to make this a kick-a$$ game!

ichso · 03-04-10, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

It seems that you, mate, don't have the required manners to post on this forum. I do, maybe you should learn from me how to speak and how to choose your words.
Maybe some moderator should see these words you've just spoken to me.

And crying for moderators when no personal insults where made is showing good manners ?

Méo · 03-04-10, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JU_88

I guess not

, been too busy with my new born child these past few days

, have only had chance to catch up now, is it really that bad?

Congrats!

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Originally Posted by JU_88

is it really that bad?

Of course people had a very high expectations, SH5 is still unfinished...
But when I compare to both SH4 and SH3 on release, then it's not that bad, I would even say it's a bit better.

Of course there's a lot of hysteria...

03-04-10, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by elanaiba

So, for my final statement of the day, NO, I am not happy with the state of SH5. Of course, except for SH3 - which was not perfect either - I have never been happy with the release of any of my projects.

Yes, Gunnodayak, it took me time to write this long answer, and I waited for the lunchbreak in order not to disturb my current work assignments.

A decent answer, congrats! Maybe some of your colleagues should do that as well. But there's a tricky part in your answer, as well, I've noticed it. You are saying that you are not happy all the time with your projects, and you want to put the emphasis on the fact that you are a perfectionist, not on the fact that the SH5 game may be disastrous.
Anyway, it's better than nothing, after this message I may be not so aggressive with your little SH5 game. This pseudo "mea culpa" is welcomed.

IanC · 03-04-10, 07:07 AM

Takes a brass pair to be that honest. Gotta respect that.

03-04-10, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ichso

And crying for moderators when no personal insults where made is showing good manners ?

If for you
"Hey Gunnodayak, why do you even come to this forum?

Do we have to see you bitch every day..
And what with the hate towards your own people..
Cut it out, it looks terrible from the outside..
The devs don't need your great criticism, we don't need it."
is not a personal insult ... I have nothing more to say.

ParaB · 03-04-10, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by IanC

Takes a brass pair to be that honest. Gotta respect that.

/this.

Speaks volumes of the man.

03-04-10, 06:54 AM	#21
urfisch Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Deep down in Germany Posts: 1,969 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	this is an answer, as i exspected. i appreciate your honesty, very much!!! thanks a lot for this answer. i really trust in your efforts, dan. we never met, but to the last subsim meetings...i heard youre really nice guy. i believe in that. please stay in close contact to the community here. as we need to mod the game...is there any manual coming, concerning the mod tools? i bought it, although i first didnt wanted to. but i see the potential of this game...and i want to mod it. but we modders need some more explaination on the tools. __________________

03-04-10, 06:54 AM	#22
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	Thank you for this quite honest post. __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

03-04-10, 06:57 AM	#23
piri_reis Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Istanbul, Turkiye Posts: 715 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	Dan is here answering things, taking responsibility and being honest. Not everybody can do this, I respect your actions and thank you Dan. It might be a long road, but not giving up before trying __________________ Lt.z.S. Barbaros Hayreddin, U-35, 2nd Flot/Kiel, Type VIIB Oct.29.1939, 2nd Patrol Eastern English Waters Running SH5/TWOS

03-04-10, 07:01 AM	#24
Yskonyn Sailor man Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 48 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	An honest reply, Ela. I work in the aviation sector, where people always have an opinion about everything as well, despite most of them don't know what they're talking about. Being a game dev is rather similar in that respect I guess. Did I quit my job yet? No, certainly not and I am glad to see you didn't either. People are just that way, especially on the net. They have this urge to write their opinion, make their voice heard. Of course you will find valid statements often as well, no doubt. But there's a lot of yelling going on by people with little understanding of the matter (look at politics, aviation, development, you name it). Nobody wants to bite the hand that feeds them, nor should you. I think your honest statement is appreciated and while, of course in all honesty it is questionable as to why it should be this way, let's just hope the community will unite once again to make this a kick-a$$ game! __________________ Yskonyn - *"The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire..."*

03-04-10, 07:07 AM	#28
IanC Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Running silent and deep Posts: 902 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Takes a brass pair to be that honest. Gotta respect that.