Feedback: nvidia users and shadows/performance - Page 2

Arclight · 03-03-10, 12:06 PM

Driverversion?

kylania · 03-03-10, 12:37 PM

Things are pretty swimmy/laggy inside the sub for me. When I get home I'll post my stats.

Ziggy · 03-03-10, 12:41 PM

Nvidia 9500

High except shadows to 0 (I think)
AA to half

I still see shadows but they are kinda crappy shadows(Who really looks at the shadows while they play). With shadows max, same as everyone else. Turn shadows down and it runs fine.

reboot · 03-03-10, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziggy

Nvidia 9500

High except shadows to 0 (I think)
AA to half

I still see shadows but they are kinda crappy shadows(Who really looks at the shadows while they play). With shadows max, same as everyone else. Turn shadows down and it runs fine.

Same here. Nvidia 8800GT OC 512. With everything maxed and AA half, and shadows off, it runs with decent framerates. Turn on any shadows at all it becomes unplayable. Might be time to upgrade

remowilliams · 03-03-10, 01:27 PM

Win7 x64 / GTX295 / 196.75 / 1920x1200 / bells & whistles on

Framerate is a bit pokey inside the sub with shadows on, much faster with them turned off.

Galanti · 03-03-10, 01:35 PM

Well, it looks like we have more-or-less a unanimous consensus, must be a first for the Interwebs.

There appears to be a problem with shadows & nVidia cards.

602Sqn_Puff · 03-03-10, 02:53 PM

sorry, gtx 260 oc , 196.75 whql's All settings maxed except shadows 30-45fps, shadows on 14-18fps inside sub

digitizedsoul · 03-03-10, 03:54 PM

I am also using an 8800GTS 640mb. Couple things I have noticed regarding this issue. It is definitely related to shadows and the reason ATI users don't experience it is simple in theory but difficult for NVidia to repair. If I had to guess I would say that DX is attempting to render the shadows and instead of allocating the proper number of pipelines for this, the driver is assigning too many. My card's fan kicks up which confirms this theory.

They are passing DX9 instructions to the GPU, and ATI's is handling it properly but NVIDIA's is not. I debugged for a long time last night trying to identify the difference, but unfortunately without an ATI system to compare I gave up trying to find it blind.

PS, a realtime debug log of DX output goes by so fast while playing that if you manage to read one line I commend you.

digitizedsoul · 03-03-10, 03:56 PM

Guys -

Keep your eyes on www.nzone.com for "BETA" Nvidia driver releases. These are often 2-3 major revisions ahead of WHQL drivers and often fix tons of issues without having to wait for Microsoft to "certify" them and give them a WHQL label.

Sone7 · 03-03-10, 03:56 PM

Win7 Pro 64, GF8600 here. Latest drivers.
Runs nice on max, only the engine room and interior areas close to it make it slower.
Better without shadows, but still not as good as in bow compartment or "outside".

CCIP · 03-03-10, 04:02 PM

Thanks for the feedback, hope the devs paid attention. Indeed I can confirm from the other side that on ATI cards, interior performance is in fact noticeably better than exterior. Which points to a compatibility issue for sure.

GermanGS · 03-03-10, 04:19 PM

Geforce 9800GTX+ X2 SLI, VSync 512mb each
Vista X64, SP2
4gb mem

Without any shodows all maxed out 70-120 frames under any circumstances.
With shodows, everything on max 10-20 frames, and jittaring water, Especially slow in Control Room
With shodows, everything on low 20-25 frames, and jittaring water, Especially slow in Control Room

Capt.Warner · 03-03-10, 06:21 PM

Win7/64x
Nvidia Geforce 9400 GT
Fraps are bad in Control room,Watch tower a bit and The Diesel room is by far the slowest

Factor · 03-03-10, 09:37 PM

9800 GTX here.

Have 15-25 fps with shadows on. 40-60 with shadows off. running AA halfway on it's slider.

If i close a few doors, i get more fps.

Portman · 03-03-10, 11:43 PM

Mine is choppy when I'm in the sub, shadows are on the lowest setting. I'll report back tomorrow with results from turning them on and off.

Do we want to report this to Nvidia or wait to hear from the devs?

Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
Core i7 920
Geforce GTX 285
Driver 196.21

03-03-10, 12:06 PM	#16
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03-03-10, 12:37 PM	#17
kylania Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,528 Downloads: 118 Uploads: 0	Things are pretty swimmy/laggy inside the sub for me. When I get home I'll post my stats. __________________

03-03-10, 04:02 PM	#26
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Thanks for the feedback, hope the devs paid attention. Indeed I can confirm from the other side that on ATI cards, interior performance is in fact noticeably better than exterior. Which points to a compatibility issue for sure. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-03-10, 04:19 PM	#27
GermanGS Sailor man Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 49 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Geforce 9800GTX+ X2 SLI, VSync 512mb each Vista X64, SP2 4gb mem Without any shodows all maxed out 70-120 frames under any circumstances. With shodows, everything on max 10-20 frames, and jittaring water, Especially slow in Control Room With shodows, everything on low 20-25 frames, and jittaring water, Especially slow in Control Room __________________

03-03-10, 06:21 PM	#28
Capt.Warner Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean Posts: 262 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	Win7/64x Nvidia Geforce 9400 GT Fraps are bad in Control room,Watch tower a bit and The Diesel room is by far the slowest __________________

03-03-10, 12:41 PM	#18
Ziggy Torpedoman Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 111 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Nvidia 9500 High except shadows to 0 (I think) AA to half I still see shadows but they are kinda crappy shadows(Who really looks at the shadows while they play). With shadows max, same as everyone else. Turn shadows down and it runs fine.

03-03-10, 01:27 PM	#20
remowilliams Loader Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 90 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	Win7 x64 / GTX295 / 196.75 / 1920x1200 / bells & whistles on Framerate is a bit pokey inside the sub with shadows on, much faster with them turned off.

03-03-10, 01:35 PM	#21
Galanti Captain Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ottawa Posts: 536 Downloads: 106 Uploads: 0	Well, it looks like we have more-or-less a unanimous consensus, must be a first for the Interwebs. There appears to be a problem with shadows & nVidia cards.

03-03-10, 02:53 PM	#22
602Sqn_Puff Ensign Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Saltcoats, Ayrshire, Scotland Posts: 233 Downloads: 322 Uploads: 0	sorry, gtx 260 oc , 196.75 whql's All settings maxed except shadows 30-45fps, shadows on 14-18fps inside sub

03-03-10, 03:54 PM	#23
digitizedsoul Machinist's Mate Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 125 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 1	I am also using an 8800GTS 640mb. Couple things I have noticed regarding this issue. It is definitely related to shadows and the reason ATI users don't experience it is simple in theory but difficult for NVidia to repair. If I had to guess I would say that DX is attempting to render the shadows and instead of allocating the proper number of pipelines for this, the driver is assigning too many. My card's fan kicks up which confirms this theory. They are passing DX9 instructions to the GPU, and ATI's is handling it properly but NVIDIA's is not. I debugged for a long time last night trying to identify the difference, but unfortunately without an ATI system to compare I gave up trying to find it blind. PS, a realtime debug log of DX output goes by so fast while playing that if you manage to read one line I commend you.

03-03-10, 03:56 PM	#24
digitizedsoul Machinist's Mate Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 125 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 1	Guys - Keep your eyes on www.nzone.com for "BETA" Nvidia driver releases. These are often 2-3 major revisions ahead of WHQL drivers and often fix tons of issues without having to wait for Microsoft to "certify" them and give them a WHQL label.

03-03-10, 03:56 PM	#25
Sone7 Machinist's Mate Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Poland Posts: 121 Downloads: 159 Uploads: 0	Win7 Pro 64, GF8600 here. Latest drivers. Runs nice on max, only the engine room and interior areas close to it make it slower. Better without shadows, but still not as good as in bow compartment or "outside".

03-03-10, 09:37 PM	#29
Factor Weps Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 356 Downloads: 180 Uploads: 0	9800 GTX here. Have 15-25 fps with shadows on. 40-60 with shadows off. running AA halfway on it's slider. If i close a few doors, i get more fps.

03-03-10, 11:43 PM	#30
Portman Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 8 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Mine is choppy when I'm in the sub, shadows are on the lowest setting. I'll report back tomorrow with results from turning them on and off. Do we want to report this to Nvidia or wait to hear from the devs? Windows 7 Pro 64 bit Core i7 920 Geforce GTX 285 Driver 196.21 Last edited by Portman; 03-03-10 at 11:46 PM. Reason: forgot a part.