Support the Community - DONT BUY SHV

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by j_o_nn_y

But I am not going to buy this one until people say it is great, can be modded and even then I might not even buy it because of the DRM issue.

So you're OK with modders buying it?

[HundertzehnGustav]

Originally Posted by Méo

Don't worry, IF it happens, I'll complain to Ubi not to you.



I could tell you not to come crying when there is no U-boat simulation that fits perfectly to your likings..

dont worry. it already exists. at least a whole lot better than what the Ubi Execs want to poison me with this time. Pity for the uninformed customer that doesnt read the 0.05inch high text on the box.

[j_o_nn_y]

Maybe they wont let you play the game through their server if you have modded it?.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

Pity for the uninformed customer that doesnt read the 0.05inch high text on the box.

A permanent internet connection is required to play the game

We can see it clearly on the cover: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002PAIPQO?...2QYP06KRB0QN1&

[Méo]

Originally Posted by j_o_nn_y

Maybe they wont let you play the game through their server if you have modded it?.

He's a member of the dev team:

Originally Posted by maerean_m

You can transform the entire content of the game to your liking and it will still work.

You can mod the dynamic campaign, the missions, objectives, ships (AI <yes, for the first time>, characteristics, textures), crew (AI, dialogs <including sounds>, abilities, appearance), game commands, the interface, keyboard layout, graphic shaders.

You'll have the old tools (Mission Editor) plus some new ones, we hope you'll enjoy. That's exactly the same tools the team used to create the game in the first place.

The game is even more mod-able than SH3 and SH4. The entire team has gone to great lengths to give you an open ground to work your magic, so the end result is a game you enjoy, a game that can proudly sit in the hall of fame of submarine simulations, a game that sets a new standard for submarine games to come.

regards,
M.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by j_o_nn_y

Maybe they wont let you play the game through their server if you have modded it?.

I think that point was cleared up a week or so ago. Mods should not make any difference IIRC.

[Schunken]

What choice I have?

I must buy, its just a curse....

I love Simulation! I get hooked on the Commodore 64 with Microprose Gunship! It was have crappy graphics with 1 Frame per second and I play it like mad. Also start with Sublogics Flight Simulator...also crappy graphics and real poor frames....

But since I was child I keep my imagination, my Phantasy....

Sure I do not like DRM, sure there will be bugs.

But Silent hunter was have it and I love it, SH2 also followed by SH3 and SH4 was real bad in the start....

But every SH game I play longer than Mass Effect, GTA4, Call of Duty 4 and who they all called....

If you loose your imagination and phantays ability and allow yourself not to fall into this simulated worlds.... you will not find pleasure....

But on the other side maybe I just be be mad....who else have 1300 flight hours collected in a virtual airline???... I wonder where I take all this time...


Andreas

[trenken]

Im not going to cry about DRM. Ill buy the game, I dont care what the rest of you do. While you all sign useless petitions, ill be enjoying the game. I wonder who will be having more fun?

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Uber Gruber

If 61% of the voting subsim community have voted against buying till DRM is removed then surely the other 39% of the subsim community should support their fellows by at least holding off from purchase for a few weeks so that UBI get the hint ?

So if you buy then you're working against the majority of subsim members.

I accept this is a controversial stance.....but surely it would be nice to help support your community ?

Cheers, UG

I dont like the DRM but im still buying it, for which I make no apology to you or anyone.

And Uber, I dont appreciate your attempt at manipulation. Please dont feed us the 'with us or against us' and 'moral majority' BS.
If 61% told you jump off a bridge would you do it?

For the record, even before the DRM you seemed to HATE SHV with a passion, (bashing it at every given opportunity) so much so that I am truley amazed that you are still around
Everyones entitled to voice his opinion and all, but my god, for the sake of us 39%... give it a rest man.

Lasty, I fail to see how boycotting the last surviving subsim franchise is 'helping the community'.
So we do our bit for the honest PC gamer vs the OSP weilding Publisher, fine - but at what cost I wonder?

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Apos

I wont buy now SHV cos of 3 reasons:
- too high price for stock game,
- where SH game series is going - casual/arcade area,
- SHV need some good mods and fixes/patches, then i start thinking about buying it

Im not big fan of DRM but it doesnt bother me.

I love the "I will not buy it until it's patched/modded" crowd. Sure, let the modders buy it, fix/alter it, put their money and time into it, and then buy it at a discount and complain about the mods not being perfect. Too bad modders can't charge for their efforts. We'd really know how expensive it is then.

[tomfon]

Just a few months ago a guy (i don't remember his nickname and frankly speaking i'm too tired to search for it now) complained about the unfinished state of stock SH3 and 4 and argued that it is a waste of time to bother with these games. In fact, he said that these games are not even worth modding them. He also added that he would stop playing them. Back then, a lot of people disagreed with him saying, ''hey, you don't like it? Then don't play it.''

Given that the DRM issue has been discussed extensively, a lot and various opinions have been heard, i think it's time to adopt a similar attitude. I'm not suggesting to jump on everyone who says sthg like ''DRM is bad (because of this or that), don't buy it!''. I'm just saying that these kind of threads (nothing personal with the OP) and posts are ''déjà vu'' and the whole matter has become obsolete. Please, don't give me the usual argument that everyone is entitled to his/her opinion 'cause despite the fact that this holds true, we usually tend to confuse things and therefore blabber instead. Just a thought.

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I love the "I will not buy it until it's patched/modded" crowd. Sure, let the modders buy it, fix/alter it, put their money and time into it, and then buy it at a discount and complain about the mods not being perfect. Too bad modders can't charge for their efforts. We'd really know how expensive it is then.

Even payware mods get hacked.

[HundertzehnGustav]

i wouldnt mind spending 200 balls for a GOOD-AS-GETS subsim. honestly not.

I play such games for years, and the cheap price does not reflect the true intellectual and intercultural value, history lessions and interest generated in a given subject.

[msxyz]

Originally Posted by piri_reis

Pretty accurate data on number of pirated copies? How would they do that?

Also Ubisoft determining the causes of demand or lack of it, is pretty remote, with the intelligence of reading their consumers and the market, they have shown so far..

They extrapolate data from torrent sites traffic, p2p networks, etc... There are some firms which specialyze in this kind of research. It's all based on guestimates but surveying (and statistics, in general) is not an exact science. But you're able to tell the % of people playing a pirated game versus those buying the original.

To me, this whole DRM issue seems like a convenient excuse to bail off the PC market or, at worst, a stupid decision imposed by some executive who doesn't know what he's selling and his customers. The industry is full of these crap spouting, short sighted, self confident a**holes.

[himlaviz]

I survived the NGE, I can take this as well.

I am going to buy Silent Hunter 5, because I want to support the development of sub games, whatever it's more or less simulation but SH5 do seem to be taking am interesting approach to playing the captain.

Forums?
Well, it brings out the best and worst in the community sometimes I miss the good old days when you would read about a game in some computer/game magazine or just see it in the shop and buy it. Play it for what it was and don't hack it to pieces and loose the magic.

Now it's a year or more waiting and over analyzing the game and build up expectations and feel ripped off in the end...