Cylindrical Earth

Originally Posted by Rip

Higher expectations of what? You have the game? Otherwise you don't know crap just like the rest of us. It is poor taste to criticize something you know almost nothing about. Why not wait a month or two and try this stance with some facts, and I will have played the game by them and will I suspect be prepared to tell you you don't know crapola!

Well, Ubi and also the developers should feel proud to have such an impressive army of defenders ... while they cannot defend themselves. They are somehow demigods that can't come down to Earth and speak to the mortals. I suppose you are playing SH3 or 4 on the "easy" level, am I right? And you are very happy about it.

Originally Posted by elanaiba

Ok, I'll bite this.

How about YOU make ME feel proud I'm a romanian?

I am not supposed to make anyone proud to be romanian, I am not a demigod like you think you are. And don't forget that I AM PAYING YOU, by buying your crap, not the opposite. From my money and from other's you are earning your daily bread. So, please try to show some respect for the hand that feeds you.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by elanaiba

Ok, I'll bite this.

How about YOU make ME feel proud I'm a romanian?

Ok, you can be proud to be a romanian, because I took the time to learn your language (and as stated before, Finland will rule the whole world in the future, so it's kinda big thing, you know. ).

Salut! Unde este toaleta??

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

I am not supposed to make anyone proud to be romanian, I am not a demigod like you think you are. And don't forget that I AM PAYING YOU, by buying your crap, not the opposite. From my money and from other's you are earning your daily bread. So, please try to show some respect for the hand that feeds you.

You know, that's just rude. I really doubt you would say this in person. Move over, General, new guy in the brig.

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

Well, Ubi and also the developers should feel proud to have such an impressive army of defenders ... while they cannot defend themselves. They are somehow demigods that can't come down to Earth and speak to the mortals. I suppose you are playing SH3 or 4 on the "easy" level, am I right? And you are very happy about it.

as a UBI dev, when you can lose your job for saying the wrong thing or even speaking about an "off limits" subject that you and i dont see as a big deal then no they cant always defend themselves. sometimes defending themselves can cost them their job.

dan is a long standing well respected member here at subsim and he WILL be treated with the respect he deserves and not because he is a dev but because just like sailor steve or jimbuna or any other long time member they have earned the respect they are afforded and someone who comes in as a new member is not in any position to start dissrespecting them.

[elanaiba]

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

I am not supposed to make anyone proud to be romanian, I am not a demigod like you think you are. And don't forget that I AM PAYING YOU, by buying your crap, not the opposite. From my money and from other's you are earning your daily bread. So, please try to show some respect for the hand that feeds you.

1) I am not in any way superior to anyone here and never pretended such. I may not be allowed to speak on certain matters or post whatever I want, and I'd say that goes against being all powerfull as the demigod accusation may imply.

2) I respect very much the community here, and frankly, its for them that I work. Like any man, I may fail in some of my endeavors.

[paul_kingtiger]

A global game world is not an easy thing to create and plotting a great circle on a Mercator projection (while easy enough for a Navigator) requires some training to do. I can see why they have chosen not to.

It does screw up distances though at high latitudes which is a problem for a Uboat sim. But to do it, we'd need it to be automatic (some programming work here) or/and a more extensive set of navigation tools.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant

Shut up. Just shut up.

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

Well, Ubi and also the developers should feel proud to have such an impressive army of defenders ... while they cannot defend themselves. They are somehow demigods that can't come down to Earth and speak to the mortals. I suppose you are playing SH3 or 4 on the "easy" level, am I right? And you are very happy about it.

Originally Posted by Chad

Elainaba, or Dan, is a developer who sticks his input and informs us what shape the world will be and you guys attack him, not cool. This isn't about DRM or Ubisoft, so why flip and turn it on him?

I don't care if you or anyone else will buy it, I will, because Dan's my friend. And maybe if he comes to the next subsim meet, I'll have him sign my copy.

When I first met him in the 2008 meet, I told him that he was like a celebrity, that just saying he was a game developer we should be asking for his autograph and getting our picture taken with him. I still feel this way, as he has put MANY hours into the Silent Hunter series. 3, 4 (and add-ons), and now 5, he's kept the series alive, and I have full faith that if you like 3 or 4, SH5 will be right there with it.

Martes and I were also there at the meet this year, where we saw real game footage being played by the developers. We saw and heard things that little 5 minute clips, or screenshots can't do. Dan also explained the modability of things such as the GUI using Python scripts.

Dan is also human, as all the other developers are. Treat them with respect. This is my first and last post concerning this, as it should be common sense.

That's right. And one more thing, there are 30-100 new members here a day, they do not need to see this kind of immature, infantile, typical Internet usegroup behavior. This is the Subsim forum, and if you cannot discuss things in a more pleasant manner, you need to leave, and I'm willing to help. We won't miss you.

Neal
SUBSIM Admin

[Diopos]

If we are back on the map issue I'd like to post this:

Mercator ? Cylindrical projection? are you sure you're not talking about variants of the same thing?

The problem is not using a mercator map to "visualize" positions. The problem is to assume that actual distances are reproduced on mercator or similar projection. Do a test. Measure the distance between two meridians on the equator (on the game map). Measure the distance between the same meridians near the north pole. The game tool will give you the same distance while in reality as we approach the poles the distance must be shorter (and going to zero on the poles themselves). The map scale (for distance measurments) should not be the same for all latitudes.
BTW compass courses, bearings are accurate in mercator type projections.

P.S. the game map actually looks like a Miller cylindrical projection which is a modified mercator projection (link)

If we're to cotninue bashing each other then my apologies for being OFF TOPIC......

[609_Avatar]

Originally Posted by Chad

Dan is also human, as all the other developers are. Treat them with respect. This is my first and last post concerning this, as it should be common sense.

As you say, should be common sense but as I have aged through the years I've come to realize that it is something of a rare commodity in this day and age...

[Chad]

As a indie-programmer, when I created a world, I could make it spherical, but to add water and other such effects, it had to be flatted, like Millers cylindrical projection, as the water code I was using called for a plane that used a bit of trigonometry to simulate the waves. I have no idea how to curl it back up into a sphere or anything like how earth really is.

[Rip]

Originally Posted by Chad

Or, if he meant the developers, name anyone in the Game Industry who would fly out to the US for a meet with some of us Subsimmers for a week.

Or fly out to Copenhagen, spend a day travelling to Germany to visit U-995, stuck in a bright green van stuck with 9 of us subsimmers again, asking, bickering, and overheating questions about the game.

I'm sure you can find pictures of that van somewhere, and I'm surprised we all fit

I'm not. I am just glad Neal didn't yell Crash Dive, and make us all dive into the front seat.

Neal Stevens, that was the rudest thing possible, to ban somebody just because it had different opinion than yours. Shame on you, it seems that you were growing old in vain! Come on, erase this message and ban me again. That's ALL you can do, to put your fist in my mouth.

[Rip]

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

Well, Ubi and also the developers should feel proud to have such an impressive army of defenders ... while they cannot defend themselves. They are somehow demigods that can't come down to Earth and speak to the mortals. I suppose you are playing SH3 or 4 on the "easy" level, am I right? And you are very happy about it.

I'd be happy to compare submarine skillz any day, just let me know when to pick you up at the airport.


Ohh, and pack your lunch.

[Rip]

Originally Posted by elanaiba

1) I am not in any way superior to anyone here and never pretended such. I may not be allowed to speak on certain matters or post whatever I want, and I'd say that goes against being all powerfull as the demigod accusation may imply.

2) I respect very much the community here, and frankly, its for them that I work. Like any man, I may fail in some of my endeavors.

Please don't forget a VAST majority of us are very thankful for that. Not to mention a number of us are even more thankful to know you as a friend.

Don't worry about your baffles. There are a bunch of us back here sweeping them.