The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread - Page 40

Tigrone · 01-28-10, 04:32 PM

I am very uncomfortable with the requirement to have a Ubisoft account and to be continously logged-in to it while using the game. It becomes an on-line game. I do not play online games. I am uncomfortable with giving a commercial vendor the amount of personal and use information that seems to be implied. I do not like the idea of being dependent on their good will or existence to able to play the game at all.

I avoid being continuously connected to the Internet for security reasons and for performance reasons. My normal practice is to clear my PC of anything latent, running in the background, and to disconnect from the web before loading a game.

I have Verizon high speed DSL, but it losses its connection periodically for up to a minute or 2, several times a day, occasionally requiring a modem reboot; or, it lags, especially later in the evening.

I also have Verizon high speed wireless, but it can lose its connection briefly or suffer lag too. Also, it is not as fast, as the DSL.

I find connections through online servers increase lag time.

This is something that will cause me not to buy SH5 if it comes true. I dislike that very much. I was really looking forward to it. I have owned every title or variation in SH or Command AOD, since they began. I am a longtime fan of sub sims and flight sims. Right now, Il2-46 and SH 3 & 4 are the games I always keep on my PC.

At least I will not need to pay to get a new PC to be up to speed for the new game's specs. But, that does not make me feel any better; I was really looking forward to SH5. I hope my understanding of this is wrong, and I'll see how it plays out after SH5 releases, but I am not hopeful after reading all the links and articles about it.

subdba · 01-28-10, 05:13 PM

Well, add my name to the list of people who will not be buying SH5. Too bad really, I have bought and enjoyed every SH title (except for SH2) and all their respective add-ons. I could stomach an initial (one-time) online activation but the concept of having to authenticate everytime I want to play is unacceptable to me. I will check once in awhile to see if a GOY or something like that ever comes out without this terrible scheme and consider buying SH5 if it get cleaned up down the road.

Seaman_Hornsby · 01-28-10, 05:32 PM

I'm shocked at this turn of events. I have Steam, and a few games through it, but it is not my favorite DRM system. But the critical thing that makes Steam work is the OFFLINE MODE. You can still play your paid-for games if your connection goes down or is unavailable.

For Ubisoft to implement a constant-connection system seems baffling. I was looking forward very much to SH5 and being able to run around the boat, but now I'm going to have to adopt a wait-and-see approach.

jbeatty · 01-28-10, 05:45 PM

I like so many other IT admin have time to play games while waiting for a server to go down or a user to forget their paswword. to break up the time I play SH III/IV. Can't do it over the internet at work!!

If I can't play it form the desktop, I won't play. Oh well, SH V sounded so interesting and fun.

Thanks UbiSoft for Peeing in my Wheaties. You just put SH V and flushed trhe TDU.

maurader · 01-28-10, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jbeatty

I like so many other IT admin have time to play games while waiting for a server to go down or a user to forget their paswword. to break up the time I play SH III/IV. Can't do it over the internet at work!!

If I can't play it form the desktop, I won't play. Oh well, SH V sounded so interesting and fun.

Thanks UbiSoft for Peeing in my Wheaties. You just put SH V and flushed trhe TDU.

Wow you can play SH4 at work but can't get on the Internet at work.
My guess is you shouldn't be playing SH4 at work either.
But the new DRM method would log what you are doing at work. LOL.

Pretty cushy IT job though. My IT job is so busy I don't even have time to pee in my Wheaties

01-28-10, 06:28 PM

IT guys are like firemen, lots of slow periods followed by shear panic and lots of screaming lol.

maurader · 01-28-10, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Webster

IT guys are like firemen, lots of slow periods followed by shear panic and lots of screaming lol.

Maybe that's why we like sub sims.
Sounds similar to life on a submarine.

Alienfresser · 01-29-10, 03:28 AM

No.

Submariner's have a much higher survival rate then IT-Guys.

Captain Wreckless · 01-29-10, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I'm betting all PC games will go to online authentication eventually. True, there are a few people on the planet who play games in their doublewide without internet accesss, and there are occasions where internet access is not available to play, but the PC gamer is usually connected to the web 24/7.

Unless you live in a very rural area or the Alaskan interior. Luckily I live outside of Fairbanks AK and have a cable modem and decent internet access. But there are areas here where cable/DSL is not available due to logistical issues and all there is, is dialup. I'm sure there are plenty of places in the lower 48 that have the same problem.

CW

sergei · 01-29-10, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Seaman_Hornsby

But the critical thing that makes Steam work is the OFFLINE MODE. You can still play your paid-for games if your connection goes down or is unavailable.

Yeah, and this seems to be the point that Trenken is missing.
Not all DRMs are created equal.

Arclight · 01-29-10, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Alienfresser

No.

Submariner's have a much higher survival rate then IT-Guys.

HA! No kidding.

onelifecrisis · 01-29-10, 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alienfresser

No.

Submariner's have a much higher survival rate then IT-Guys.

bratkorv · 01-29-10, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Letum

Removed from sticky?

Well done Letum

Marka Ragnos · 01-29-10, 08:25 AM

I bought a new pc for silent hunter 5

I don't know what to say, constant internet connection, games saved online?
If that is our future then it's a future without me :s

theluckyone17 · 01-29-10, 11:30 AM

There's something nagging me about this DRM business. It seems that Ubisoft can protect their copyright through some other method than requiring their software clients to be connected to a central server constantly while running. We've all had to deal with the disk checks, the Securom, blah blah blah.

Those benefits of a constant connection? Saved games on a server, installing the game on multiple computers, running without a disk. These seem like minor benefits, balanced by the need to have a constant connection.

So why do they need a constant connection? Why can't an occasional check on startup (similiar to Steam) be used? Why not a check at the initial start of the game, then drop the connection?

In short, I'm nervous about what else Ubisoft's got planned for that constant connection. Are they looking at feeding advertisements? "While SH5 loads, here's some words from our sponsors"? What information are they collecting? Are they manipulating my computer in the background? What else are they going to use it for? A year from now, I don't want to hear an Ubisoft exec saying "Well, we've got these constant connections to all of our gamer's PCs... let's use it now!"

Maybe I'm not trusting, maybe I'm jaded. But after the Sony fiasco, I'm a little nervous when DRM requiring a constant connection to my PC is introduced. Toss in outright mistakes like the Rainbox 6 issue, and I get even more nervous.

In short, I don't want to hear promises. I want it spelled out, exactly what they plan on using this connection for, in writing, preferably in the EULA.

If this push for "OSP" is a direct result of piracy, then Ubisoft is simply looking to verify their trust in us, the gamers. If that's the case, then I'm going to need more trust in Ubisoft.

01-28-10, 04:32 PM	#586
Tigrone Commander Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 470 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	I'm afraid this not acceptable to me if true. I am very uncomfortable with the requirement to have a Ubisoft account and to be continously logged-in to it while using the game. It becomes an on-line game. I do not play online games. I am uncomfortable with giving a commercial vendor the amount of personal and use information that seems to be implied. I do not like the idea of being dependent on their good will or existence to able to play the game at all. I avoid being continuously connected to the Internet for security reasons and for performance reasons. My normal practice is to clear my PC of anything latent, running in the background, and to disconnect from the web before loading a game. I have Verizon high speed DSL, but it losses its connection periodically for up to a minute or 2, several times a day, occasionally requiring a modem reboot; or, it lags, especially later in the evening. I also have Verizon high speed wireless, but it can lose its connection briefly or suffer lag too. Also, it is not as fast, as the DSL. I find connections through online servers increase lag time. This is something that will cause me not to buy SH5 if it comes true. I dislike that very much. I was really looking forward to it. I have owned every title or variation in SH or Command AOD, since they began. I am a longtime fan of sub sims and flight sims. Right now, Il2-46 and SH 3 & 4 are the games I always keep on my PC. At least I will not need to pay to get a new PC to be up to speed for the new game's specs. But, that does not make me feel any better; I was really looking forward to SH5. I hope my understanding of this is wrong, and I'll see how it plays out after SH5 releases, but I am not hopeful after reading all the links and articles about it. __________________ Commander Hiram Cassedy: "Tigrone has saved the Air Force and is now returning to Iwo Jima with 28 rescued zoomies." B-29 SNUFFY & THE SHIF'LESS SKONKS among them. I've a broom at the mast said he, for the broom is a sign for me, that wherever I go, I sweep the mighty sea.

01-28-10, 05:32 PM	#588
Seaman_Hornsby Engineer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 203 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 0	I'm shocked at this turn of events. I have Steam, and a few games through it, but it is not my favorite DRM system. But the critical thing that makes Steam work is the OFFLINE MODE. You can still play your paid-for games if your connection goes down or is unavailable. For Ubisoft to implement a constant-connection system seems baffling. I was looking forward very much to SH5 and being able to run around the boat, but now I'm going to have to adopt a wait-and-see approach. __________________ Friends, when once a man is launched on such an adventure as this, he must bid farewell to hopes and fears, otherwise death or deliverance will both come too late to save his honor and his reason.

01-28-10, 05:45 PM	#589
jbeatty Nub Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 3 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well that just Pee'd in my Wheaties I like so many other IT admin have time to play games while waiting for a server to go down or a user to forget their paswword. to break up the time I play SH III/IV. Can't do it over the internet at work!! If I can't play it form the desktop, I won't play. Oh well, SH V sounded so interesting and fun. Thanks UbiSoft for Peeing in my Wheaties. You just put SH V and flushed trhe TDU.

01-29-10, 03:28 AM	#593
Alienfresser Watch Join Date: May 2005 Location: Irgendwo Posts: 18 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	No. Submariner's have a much higher survival rate then IT-Guys. __________________ I sieg nix, i soag nix und i hoer nix. Basta

01-29-10, 08:25 AM	#599
Marka Ragnos Weps Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 364 Downloads: 187 Uploads: 0	I bought a new pc for silent hunter 5 I don't know what to say, constant internet connection, games saved online? If that is our future then it's a future without me :s __________________

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01-28-10, 05:13 PM	#587
subdba Bilge Rat Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	Well, add my name to the list of people who will not be buying SH5. Too bad really, I have bought and enjoyed every SH title (except for SH2) and all their respective add-ons. I could stomach an initial (one-time) online activation but the concept of having to authenticate everytime I want to play is unacceptable to me. I will check once in awhile to see if a GOY or something like that ever comes out without this terrible scheme and consider buying SH5 if it get cleaned up down the road.

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01-29-10, 11:30 AM	#600
theluckyone17 Captain Join Date: May 2006 Location: Niskayuna, NY Posts: 482 Downloads: 103 Uploads: 0	There's something nagging me about this DRM business. It seems that Ubisoft can protect their copyright through some other method than requiring their software clients to be connected to a central server constantly while running. We've all had to deal with the disk checks, the Securom, blah blah blah. Those benefits of a constant connection? Saved games on a server, installing the game on multiple computers, running without a disk. These seem like minor benefits, balanced by the need to have a constant connection. So why do they need a constant connection? Why can't an occasional check on startup (similiar to Steam) be used? Why not a check at the initial start of the game, then drop the connection? In short, I'm nervous about what else Ubisoft's got planned for that constant connection. Are they looking at feeding advertisements? "While SH5 loads, here's some words from our sponsors"? What information are they collecting? Are they manipulating my computer in the background? What else are they going to use it for? A year from now, I don't want to hear an Ubisoft exec saying "Well, we've got these constant connections to all of our gamer's PCs... let's use it now!" Maybe I'm not trusting, maybe I'm jaded. But after the Sony fiasco, I'm a little nervous when DRM requiring a constant connection to my PC is introduced. Toss in outright mistakes like the Rainbox 6 issue, and I get even more nervous. In short, I don't want to hear promises. I want it spelled out, exactly what they plan on using this connection for, in writing, preferably in the EULA. If this push for "OSP" is a direct result of piracy, then Ubisoft is simply looking to verify their trust in us, the gamers. If that's the case, then I'm going to need more trust in Ubisoft.