How much would you pay for the ultimate subsim?

GraylingSTS(SS) · 01-20-10, 10:57 PM

Hypothetically, how much would you pay for a U-boat sim that addressed all the recurring issues (lack of wolfpacks, dynamic campaign, historical accuracy, etc...) ?

Personally, I think an independent dev team could be successful by planning a true WW2 submarine simulation that was designed for the hardcore sub fan ONLY.

I believe that trying to develop a true subSIM and stay within a budget that allows it to be sold to the masses at Walmart for $49.99 is unrealistic.

Imagine if this dev team could narrow their target market to the "hardcore" sim crowd and perhaps even take input directly from the forums on this site? (Not that UBisoft hasn't, to some extent).

Why not charge a premium price for a premium product, market it directly to the target audience, release a finished project but charge a monthly fee for membership that would allow multiplayer wolfpacks and access to add ons?

Just food for thought!

Buddahaid · 01-20-10, 11:06 PM

Pipe dream, I'm afraid. The closet thing I know to that would be Orbiter, which is free. How much? In general, I'm willing to double the price for say, a product that is 100% domestic over imported. Call it isolationism if you want, but I believe in supporting local business.

JScones · 01-20-10, 11:11 PM

How much does Steel Beasts Pro PE go for now? I haven't played it, but believe it to be quite the simulation, even at the PE level.

So, I'd pay for an equivalent U-boat simulation whatever people pay for SBP PE. No more...no less...

Reece · 01-20-10, 11:12 PM

If it were possible $150, maybe more, I play Silent Hunter more that I would "play with windows", and you know how much that cost!!

Lanzfeld · 01-20-10, 11:16 PM

i have said for over 7 years now that i would $200 for a real fix to my personal list of problems with these games.

THE_MASK · 01-20-10, 11:21 PM

Silent hunter series is the only sub game and ubi is the only producer . If SH5 sales are a success and they decide to do an addon then i would pay the going rate for a pc game .

GoldenRivet · 01-20-10, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanzfeld

i have said for over 7 years now that i would $200 for a real fix to my personal list of problems with these games.

$200 would be my limit.

$100 would be the median.

If it were the end all be all of subsims of course.

there are a lot of wish list items there... and yes it would be a 'pipe dream'

Ducimus · 01-20-10, 11:42 PM

The utlimate subsim would probably be a true replacment for SH3. Problem is (im guessing) the devs haven't been given the time, money or resources to accomplish that. Sh4 and Sh5 are ultimately derived from SH3. Or rather, SH4 was based off of SH3 to save time and money, and SH5 borrowed from that!

What is really wanted IMO is an entirely new game, designed from scratch from the ground up, with 4 years development time behind it. Sh5 reminds me alot like earlier versions of windows. Win98 was duct taped over Win95 , which was stapled over Win 3.1, which was glued over DOS, - if you follow my train of thought there.

Buddahaid · 01-20-10, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

The utlimate subsim would probably be a true replacment for SH3. Problem is (im guessing) the devs haven't been given the time, money or resources to accomplish that. Sh4 and Sh5 are ultimately derived from SH3. Or rather, SH4 was based off of SH3 to save time and money, and SH5 borrowed from that!

What is really wanted IMO is an entirely new game, designed from scratch from the ground up, with 4 years development time behind it. Sh5 reminds me alot like earlier versions of windows. Win98 was duct taped over Win95 , which was stapled over Win 3.1, which was glued over DOS, - if you follow my train of thought there.

That would be convoy of thought, but you are correct, and it would only happen if the franchise proved golden. Otherwise, it would be castrated like That PT boat abomination. I'm beginning to like the u-boat/wolfenstein direction more and more now.

mookiemookie · 01-20-10, 11:54 PM

Amazing how often this comes up, and yet no one seems to know anything about the open source subsim Danger From the Deep

Tarnsman · 01-21-10, 12:37 AM

In one go Id say $99.99 but over time what ever. But for that it better be good. Between IL2 Stormovik, Forgotten Battles, the Aces Expansion Pack, Pacific fighters and IL21946 I've spent over $250 on my WWII airpower fix with Oleg Maddox . And eventhough I complained about pulling out my wallet so damn often, each time I loaded the sim up I have been in warbird heaven. I can fly more beautifully modeled warbirds than I ever knew existed over nearly every theater of the War. After I spent only $50 on SH4 and I was very disappointed and I still play SH3 far more than SH4, despite how graphically gorgous SH4 is.

I've bought all the Silent Hunter Series incl. DC since SH2 but I have not felt that same feeling I got with SH3 since SH3. If Ubi wants to follow Oleg's path and get me to pay for more SH addons down the line I will be happy to do so but they ve got to deliver. Make a commitment to accuracy (not perfection per se) fix howlers for free with regular patches (Oleg usually includes new content along with his patches) and constantly improve the product. Do that and I'll happily spend the bucks.

I really think the War at Sea deserves the same treatment as the War in the Air. PC Simming is my favorite hobby next to photography so for a quality program I'd be happy to pay up.

GoldenRivet · 01-21-10, 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarnsman

In one go Id say $99.99 but over time what ever. But for that it better be good. Between IL2 Stormovik, Forgotten Battles, the Aces Expansion Pack, Pacific fighters and IL21946 I've spent over $250 on my WWII airpower fix with Oleg Maddox . And eventhough I complained about pulling out my wallet so damn often, each time I loaded the sim up I have been in warbird heaven. I can fly more beautifully modeled warbirds than I ever knew existed over nearly every theater of the War. After I spent only $50 on SH4 and I was very disappointed and I still play SH3 far more than SH4, despite how graphically gorgous SH4 is.

I've bought all the Silent Hunter Series incl. DC since SH2 but I have not felt that same feeling I got with SH3 since SH3. If Ubi wants to follow Oleg's path and get me to pay for more SH addons down the line I will be happy to do so but they ve got to deliver. Make a commitment to accuracy (not perfection per se) fix howlers for free with regular patches (Oleg usually includes new content along with his patches) and constantly improve the product. Do that and I'll happily spend the bucks.

I really think the War at Sea deserves the same treatment as the War in the Air. PC Simming is my favorite hobby next to photography so for a quality program I'd be happy to pay up.

This right here...

this is a man who hit the nail right on the head.

perfect marks my friend... perfect.

Letum · 01-21-10, 12:48 AM

No more than £70, but it would have to be damm perfect.

Sailor Steve · 01-21-10, 12:57 AM

For what I considered the perfect subsim I'd go as high as $200.

But I'm trying to come up with five times that just to get a computer that will run SH4 properly and SH5 at all, so I guess I'm used to thinking that way.

BulSoldier · 01-21-10, 02:48 AM

I am wiling to pay quite a lot (within reason ofcourse).Since if you think about it if it has everything it wants it will probably save you more money than cost you.Though it is quite a blury dream - the perfect subsim.

01-20-10, 10:57 PM	#1
GraylingSTS(SS) Bosun Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kentucky, USA Posts: 62 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	How much would you pay for the ultimate subsim? Hypothetically, how much would you pay for a U-boat sim that addressed all the recurring issues (lack of wolfpacks, dynamic campaign, historical accuracy, etc...) ? Personally, I think an independent dev team could be successful by planning a true WW2 submarine simulation that was designed for the hardcore sub fan ONLY. I believe that trying to develop a true subSIM and stay within a budget that allows it to be sold to the masses at Walmart for $49.99 is unrealistic. Imagine if this dev team could narrow their target market to the "hardcore" sim crowd and perhaps even take input directly from the forums on this site? (Not that UBisoft hasn't, to some extent). Why not charge a premium price for a premium product, market it directly to the target audience, release a finished project but charge a monthly fee for membership that would allow multiplayer wolfpacks and access to add ons? Just food for thought! __________________ Only two types of ships in my Navy, submarines and targets!

01-20-10, 11:12 PM	#4
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,752 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	If it were possible $150, maybe more, I play Silent Hunter more that I would "play with windows", and you know how much that cost!! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

01-20-10, 11:54 PM	#10
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	Amazing how often this comes up, and yet no one seems to know anything about the open source subsim Danger From the Deep __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

01-21-10, 12:48 AM	#13
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	No more than £70, but it would have to be damm perfect. __________________

01-21-10, 12:57 AM	#14
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	For what I considered the perfect subsim I'd go as high as $200. But I'm trying to come up with five times that just to get a computer that will run SH4 properly and SH5 at all, so I guess I'm used to thinking that way. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-20-10, 11:06 PM	#2
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,331 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Pipe dream, I'm afraid. The closet thing I know to that would be Orbiter, which is free. How much? In general, I'm willing to double the price for say, a product that is 100% domestic over imported. Call it isolationism if you want, but I believe in supporting local business.

01-20-10, 11:11 PM	#3
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	How much does Steel Beasts Pro PE go for now? I haven't played it, but believe it to be quite the simulation, even at the PE level. So, I'd pay for an equivalent U-boat simulation whatever people pay for SBP PE. No more...no less...

01-20-10, 11:16 PM	#5
Lanzfeld Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Tripoli, PA Posts: 994 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	i have said for over 7 years now that i would $200 for a real fix to my personal list of problems with these games.

01-20-10, 11:21 PM	#6
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Silent hunter series is the only sub game and ubi is the only producer . If SH5 sales are a success and they decide to do an addon then i would pay the going rate for a pc game .

01-20-10, 11:42 PM	#8
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	The utlimate subsim would probably be a true replacment for SH3. Problem is (im guessing) the devs haven't been given the time, money or resources to accomplish that. Sh4 and Sh5 are ultimately derived from SH3. Or rather, SH4 was based off of SH3 to save time and money, and SH5 borrowed from that! What is really wanted IMO is an entirely new game, designed from scratch from the ground up, with 4 years development time behind it. Sh5 reminds me alot like earlier versions of windows. Win98 was duct taped over Win95 , which was stapled over Win 3.1, which was glued over DOS, - if you follow my train of thought there.

01-21-10, 12:37 AM	#11
Tarnsman Electrician's Mate Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 134 Downloads: 48 Uploads: 0	In one go Id say $99.99 but over time what ever. But for that it better be good. Between IL2 Stormovik, Forgotten Battles, the Aces Expansion Pack, Pacific fighters and IL21946 I've spent over $250 on my WWII airpower fix with Oleg Maddox . And eventhough I complained about pulling out my wallet so damn often, each time I loaded the sim up I have been in warbird heaven. I can fly more beautifully modeled warbirds than I ever knew existed over nearly every theater of the War. After I spent only $50 on SH4 and I was very disappointed and I still play SH3 far more than SH4, despite how graphically gorgous SH4 is. I've bought all the Silent Hunter Series incl. DC since SH2 but I have not felt that same feeling I got with SH3 since SH3. If Ubi wants to follow Oleg's path and get me to pay for more SH addons down the line I will be happy to do so but they ve got to deliver. Make a commitment to accuracy (not perfection per se) fix howlers for free with regular patches (Oleg usually includes new content along with his patches) and constantly improve the product. Do that and I'll happily spend the bucks. I really think the War at Sea deserves the same treatment as the War in the Air. PC Simming is my favorite hobby next to photography so for a quality program I'd be happy to pay up.

01-21-10, 02:48 AM	#15
BulSoldier Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Burgas/Bulgaria Posts: 550 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	I am wiling to pay quite a lot (within reason ofcourse).Since if you think about it if it has everything it wants it will probably save you more money than cost you.Though it is quite a blury dream - the perfect subsim. __________________ By the hour !