So which way do you lean? - Page 3

JScones · 01-20-10, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Have faith in your dev team, though sometimes it might seem like they have ulterior motives - they are working for you!

Umm, they are working for Ubisoft Romania. If they were working for me we'd have Type II's, Type IX's, Wolfpacks etc and so on.

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Originally Posted by sober

You are trying to compare apples with oranges . Its a new direction by the looks of it . Its obviously not a simulation like SH3/4 . Its a first person history lesson .

If I want a history lesson, I'll read a book.

BulSoldier · 01-20-10, 03:10 AM

yes but the book is cheaper, contains much more information and majority of gamers wont buy it.

JScones · 01-20-10, 03:11 AM

Are you suggesting a lack of immersion, perhaps?

JScones · 01-20-10, 03:38 AM

For the record, I'm on this side.

IanC: Would you like bread for your spam?

THE_MASK · 01-20-10, 03:42 AM

Im on this side until the modders have had a go .

MH · 01-20-10, 03:44 AM

What bothers me about sh5 is campaign till 1943 when all fun and challenge just starts.
I hoped that all new Ailed technologies would be simulated in sh5 but i see no progress was made here since sh3.

msxyz · 01-20-10, 03:57 AM

Scripted campaign + Only one type of sub available = limited replayability

Type IXs, despite less numerous, played an important role, especially early in the war. I'm very disappointed by the decision to leave them out to concentrate on type VIIs only

The sub type with the highest kill ratio per unit is IXB, and they were operative during the 'happy days' of uboot warfare .

Wreford-Brown · 01-20-10, 04:01 AM

I'm with you, Reece. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but SH5 as it currently stands seems to be an unfinished product.

Boris · 01-20-10, 04:07 AM

Count me in as being officially on the optimist side

Adriatico · 01-20-10, 04:26 AM

1) I have no problems with 1943 ending... 44/45 Criegsmarine Atlantic effort was "pointless" survival game - with no influence on Allied control of Atlantic...
In fact 44/45 Kriegsmarine was just another problem (one more headache) to Reich... where to hide it and how to protect it from B-24, Mosquitos, P-47,...
By mid 1944 Kriegsmarine could not not defend itself, let alone Reich...

(Even when playing original Il-2 Sturmovik, as our example of great sim, my Luftwaffe campaign faded in 1943...)

2) Haveing only VIIc is just normal thing: with fully detailed "live" interior - it would be out of reality to expect the same things for TypeIX... it would take another 12 months - to create and polish that kind of project (even more complicated)

Just my opinion...

3) BAD thing would be - no dynamic shadows ??? I would kindly ask this klub not to use term "eyecandy" till we see that feature...

4) Windy sea and storm - it is out of question... it is just not displayed, I guess, because it remained at SH4 level (no progress to display)

It would be harakiri of Ubisoft to release only calm weather, marketing suicide...

01-20-10, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Wreford-Brown

I'm with you, Reece. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but SH5 as it currently stands seems to be an unfinished product.

History just keeps repeating. SH3 wasn't finished enough and was a paradise for bugs. SH4 was never finished. Time for SH5 to meet it's predecessors destiny.. You can guess it's twisted UBI's signature in creating "simulations"
Only one thing keeps my mood up: In modders I trust!

01-20-10, 04:40 AM

I also found a golden crumb in this pile of ashes. It's - Nice Graphics..

MH · 01-20-10, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Adriatico

1) I have no problems with 1943 ending... 44/45 Criegsmarine Atlantic effort was "pointless" survival game - with no influence on Allied control of Atlantic...
In fact 44/45 Kriegsmarine was just another problem (one more headache) to Reich... where to hide it and how to protect it from B-24, Mosquitos, P-47,...
...

The masochist part of me wants that...
Its better just shooting hepless merchants at begining of the war

Reece · 01-20-10, 08:55 AM

Note: See update in post #1

Carotio · 01-20-10, 08:59 AM

I'm glad this thread was started as opposed to the other. I did consider to do it last evening, but hey, as long as it's done.

I'm joining this club too. EDIT: the negative club.

If they focus on early war, they cannot exclude the types II and IX, it's just not right.

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01-20-10, 03:10 AM	#32
BulSoldier Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Burgas/Bulgaria Posts: 550 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	yes but the book is cheaper, contains much more information and majority of gamers wont buy it. __________________ By the hour !

01-20-10, 03:57 AM	#37
msxyz Engineer Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 218 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Scripted campaign + Only one type of sub available = limited replayability Type IXs, despite less numerous, played an important role, especially early in the war. I'm very disappointed by the decision to leave them out to concentrate on type VIIs only The sub type with the highest kill ratio per unit is IXB, and they were operative during the 'happy days' of uboot warfare . __________________ ...Sinking deeper into the cold, dark oceans of life

01-20-10, 04:01 AM	#38
Wreford-Brown Sea Lord Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In sight of Stonehenge Posts: 1,750 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 26	I'm with you, Reece. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but SH5 as it currently stands seems to be an unfinished product. __________________ All my mods are available at MediaFire: SH3 Mods Other modders SH3 mods SH4 Mods ...you can't please all of the people all of the time...

01-20-10, 04:26 AM	#40
Adriatico Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2007 Location: Periscope depth Posts: 860 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	1) I have no problems with 1943 ending... 44/45 Criegsmarine Atlantic effort was "pointless" survival game - with no influence on Allied control of Atlantic... In fact 44/45 Kriegsmarine was just another problem (one more headache) to Reich... where to hide it and how to protect it from B-24, Mosquitos, P-47,... By mid 1944 Kriegsmarine could not not defend itself, let alone Reich... (Even when playing original Il-2 Sturmovik, as our example of great sim, my Luftwaffe campaign faded in 1943...) 2) Haveing only VIIc is just normal thing: with fully detailed "live" interior - it would be out of reality to expect the same things for TypeIX... it would take another 12 months - to create and polish that kind of project (even more complicated) Just my opinion... 3) BAD thing would be - no dynamic shadows ??? I would kindly ask this klub not to use term "eyecandy" till we see that feature... 4) Windy sea and storm - it is out of question... it is just not displayed, I guess, because it remained at SH4 level (no progress to display) It would be harakiri of Ubisoft to release only calm weather, marketing suicide... __________________

01-20-10, 03:11 AM	#33
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Are you suggesting a lack of immersion, perhaps?

01-20-10, 03:38 AM	#34
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	For the record, I'm on this side. IanC: Would you like bread for your spam?

01-20-10, 03:42 AM	#35
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Im on this side until the modders have had a go .

01-20-10, 03:44 AM	#36
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	What bothers me about sh5 is campaign till 1943 when all fun and challenge just starts. I hoped that all new Ailed technologies would be simulated in sh5 but i see no progress was made here since sh3.

01-20-10, 04:07 AM	#39
Boris Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 1,691 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	Count me in as being officially on the optimist side

01-20-10, 04:40 AM	#42
zulus Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I also found a golden crumb in this pile of ashes. It's - Nice Graphics..

01-20-10, 08:55 AM	#44
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,764 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Note: See update in post #1 __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

01-20-10, 08:59 AM	#45
Carotio Mr. Bad Wolf Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aabenraa, Denmark Posts: 1,488 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	I'm glad this thread was started as opposed to the other. I did consider to do it last evening, but hey, as long as it's done. I'm joining this club too. EDIT: the negative club. If they focus on early war, they cannot exclude the types II and IX, it's just not right. __________________ Download my mods from SHMF Follow my photography here taler dansk, speak English, spreche Deutsch, parle français, forstår svenska/norsk, comprendo castellano Last edited by Carotio; 01-20-10 at 08:37 PM.