US Navy Disaster Relief Task Force

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by MothBalls

Shouldn't this be done by the United Nations? .

No, this is a bigboy job. These guys need help now, not three months from now.

[nikimcbee]

I think they need the Seebees in there to build some airfields so the supply planes can get in and out quicker.

[TarJak]

Getting planes in and out isn't the problem. There are few trucks for distribution to outlying regions. Security is also a problem. There has already been a few aborted rescue mission by a US chopper when it was rushed by locals looking for assistance.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...17/2794135.htm

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Do you look for monsters under your bed still? Where is the massive expensive Finnish aid during any disaster? Sometimes the US puts its wealth and blood on the line so little countries like Finland can still exist. Sure it's not always true, and sure sometimes it's mutually beneficial, but would you prefer to be part of Germany or the USSR now?

Well to be honest I don't think things would be so different today had that happened (Finland been a part of Germany or USSR). Would there have been more killing of people in a cold war of some kind or less? More natural disasters and either a weaker or a stronger response to them?

Finland has always paid it's dues to the UN and has a long history of serving in the UN peace keeping forces whereas the US does things like the 1993 Mogadishu operation and the UN (Pakistanis, lol) has to come in and save their sorry butts.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Well to be honest I don't think things would be so different today had that happened (Finland been a part of Germany or USSR). Would there have been more killing of people in a cold war of some kind or less? More natural disasters and either a weaker or a stronger response to them?

Finland has always paid it's dues to the UN and has a long history of serving in the UN peace keeping forces whereas the US does things like the 1993 Mogadishu operation and the UN (Pakistanis, lol) has to come in and save their sorry butts.

In the case of Uncle Joe's time, there was a tremendous loss of life amongst the intelligencia (sp) and the Jews who supported communism against nationalists. This would have spilled into Finland to what effect is anyone's guess. I've never heard of any Finnish ghettos, but I would have expected some form of purges.

I just get tired of the US getting slammed no matter what is done. Yes, we are a big country with plenty of so called Christians who are nothing more than self-serving fascists, but we are also filled with many others who are quite selfless and give back.

[Jimbuna]

One thing that can't be denied is the fact that this time the US have been in the van of those quickest to respond and all those countries that are truly compassionate and understanding of the Haitians needs right now should be moving supplies and personnel as quickly as possible in an effort to support them.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by August

I'm thinking a specialized command with dedicated assets is in order if we really want to maximize our effectiveness.

We could call it "International Rescue".

We might need to specialized equipment though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunder...28TV_series%29

[CaptainHaplo]

Just out of curiosity OTH - what political or profit motives do we have in helping haiti?

Spending Millions in DONATED aid - donated by the average citizenry - into charities like the red cross - doesn't profit anyone politically.

As for monetary profit - how exactly is donating that money making us more money? Oh thats right - it doesnt.

We do it out of the goodness and charity of our hearts.

jimbuna & Capt Haplo,

well the US is right next to Haiti, would look really bad if the US just stood idly by. Even then it looks like the US has spent several precious days and flights rescuing it's own nationals from Haiti while at the same time ignoring the plight of the Haitians themselves.

During Clinton's time the US made a military landing in Haiti with the aim of trying to 'Christianize' them. It looks like more of the same this time.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Just out of curiosity OTH - what political or profit motives do we have in helping haiti?

Spending Millions in DONATED aid - donated by the average citizenry - into charities like the red cross - doesn't profit anyone politically.

As for monetary profit - how exactly is donating that money making us more money? Oh thats right - it doesnt.

We do it out of the goodness and charity of our hearts.

Well it does keep a few thousand refugees of off Florida. But that is pretty much all it gives you except for a polished up reputation in the world.

Though I'm not a huge fan of the US (I don't hate it either ) I have to admit that I'm impressed with the amount of help coming from the US. Our government doesn't even provide planes for the relief organisations as far as I know.

[MothBalls]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Even then it looks like the US has spent several precious days and flights rescuing it's own nationals from Haiti while at the same time ignoring the plight of the Haitians themselves.

You are cordially invited to go fu*ck yourself. You need a porthole put in your stomach, you have your head so far up your ass you can't see the world around you.

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My apology to Neal, the mods, and the rest of the fine people at Subsim. If I get pinged or brig time for this breach of protocol, so be it. I'll accept it. But what I said, stands.

[MothBalls]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

then it looks like the US has spent several precious days and flights rescuing it's own nationals from Haiti

You're God Damn right we did. That rescue is reflex, a given, goes without saying. When we have American citizens trapped in a disaster area with no food, water, medical aid, or security, you can bet your ass that in a short amount of time you're going to see a rescue operation coming over the horizon.

It's something I can't explain to you. Only an American who has lived in this country all of his life and understands American values will appreciate this. It doesn't matter how much it costs, what the political fallout might be be, or how dangerous it might be. If our citizens are in harms way, that will be our first priority. You won't here one American complain that we spent too much or our tax dollars are being wasted, or we have the wrong priority.

You forgot to mention the initial US choppers were full of rescue personnel, supplies and equipment. We dropped off properly equipped and trained people, and removed the citizens that didn't need to be there.

[CaptainHaplo]

well the US is right next to Haiti, would look really bad if the US just stood idly by. Even then it looks like the US has spent several precious days and flights rescuing it's own nationals from Haiti while at the same time ignoring the plight of the Haitians themselves.

During Clinton's time the US made a military landing in Haiti with the aim of trying to 'Christianize' them. It looks like more of the same this time.

Ok - first off you mentioned "political" gain by us helping - but haven't provided any information how we GAIN by helping. Instead, you turn the arguement to what we would look like if we DIDN'T help - which is a different thing entirely.

Second - you then make an accusation - but provide absolutely no documentation to back it up. Care to point to where you have "heard" this info - or are you adopting tribesman's topics of just making stuff up? When you make accusations, your going to need to provide sources, or be seen as just throwing stuff out there in the hopes it might stick.

As for Clinton - where in the world did you get the idea that the whole episode had anything to do with religion?????

[nikimcbee]

Look out pilgram, here we come

Originally Posted by MothBalls

You are cordially invited to go fu*ck yourself. You need a porthole put in your stomach, you have your head so far up your ass you can't see the world around you.

<Edit>
My apology to Neal, the mods, and the rest of the fine people at Subsim. If I get pinged or brig time for this breach of protocol, so be it. I'll accept it. But what I said, stands.