Michele Bachmann for President 2012

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Originally Posted by Fish

Michele Bachmann

Against gay rights, against abortion and in favor of teaching ID (In October 2006, Bachmann told a debate audience in St. Cloud, Minnesota, that "there is a controversy among scientists about whether evolution is a fact or not.... There are hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel Prizes, who believe in intelligent design.")in public school science classes?
Nobel prize winners?

Well, it's your country Neal.

It's my country, too, and I'm already INCREDIBLY embarrassed that she holds high office.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Originally Posted by August

What is it with Minnesota? First they elect "The Body" as governor, then they send Stuart Smalley to the US Senate and now this weirdo?

Personally I blame their extensive Finnish population...

Um, Al Franken is INCREDIBLY smart and well educated.

Also, I personally thought Jesse Ventura was amusing. Less talented men have risen to higher office than him *coughcoughBush43coughcough*

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

It's my country, too, and I'm already INCREDIBLY embarrassed that she holds high office.

Great, I feel the same way about Obama, and he holds an even higher office.

[August]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Great, I feel the same way about Obama, and he holds an even higher office.

Well he's got the incredibly smart and well educated Stuart Smalley to back him up because, by gosh, socialism is worth it!

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Great, I feel the same way about Obama, and he holds an even higher office.

If you replace one fool with another fool, you hardly get a better country.

Palin-clone, it seems to me. Or is it the other way around?

[GoldenRivet]

If you had told me in 2002 that the next president would be named "Barrack Hussein Obama" i would have laughed directly in your face.

shows what i know.

but i have this much faith in America at this point.

your next winning presidential / VP ticket will probably be:

drum roll please............

Ras Al-Kheima / Felipe Calderon


Speaker of the house: Hu Jintao


Secretary of Defense: Jane Fonda


God as my witness [He has to be my witness now because he will be outlawed by 2012] but... God as my witness i would not be surprised!

EDIT:

the next big thing... the next really big presidential news story of my generation: When a gay couple gets into the whitehouse... what do you call the "life partner" of the president? "First Fabulous"? "First Life Partner?"

God help us

[Méo]

The Bush/Republican administration had been in office from January 20, 2001 – January 20, 2009 : in 8 years of power we have seen:


- September 11 terrorist attacks.

- Endless war in Afghanistan.

- Endless & useless war in Iraq (no weapons of mass destruction found).

- Financial crisis of 2007-2009 (been called by leading economists the worst since the Great Depression)


The human & financial cost of all of the above is almost impossible to measure.

Despite of all this you guys still trust the Republican Party, I really don't get it.

But like Fish said: it's your country!

I just don't get it.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

the next big thing... the next really big presidential news story of my generation: When a gay couple gets into the whitehouse... what do you call the "life partner" of the president? "First Fabulous"? "First Life Partner?"

"The Other"

[gutted]

Originally Posted by Méo

The Bush/Republican administration had been in office from January 20, 2001 – January 20, 2009 : in 8 years of power we have seen:


- September 11 terrorist attacks.

- Endless war in Afghanistan.

- Endless & useless war in Iraq (no weapons of mass destruction found).

- Financial crisis of 2007-2009 (been called by leading economists the worst since the Great Depression)


The human & financial cost of all of the above is almost impossible to measure.

Despite of all this you guys still trust the Republican Party, I really don't get it.

But like Fish said: it's your country!

I just don't get it.

we're fighting wars BECAUSE of 9/11. Had that event not taken place, it would be a different story.

many idiots the world over despise bush, but he didn't start this whole mess. Radical Islam did.

thankfully, bush WAS in office then.. because if that idiot Al Gore was.. who knows wtf would have happened. He prolly would have blamed it on global warming.. or they may have attacked again due to a weak response on our part.

It's easy to blame bush, but bush held the roof down. He had principles and was rigid. you knew what you were getting, and he was the right man for that job.

This amature we have now? pffft. dont even get me started on that tele-prompting arse kissing puppet.

in 2012.. any party OTHER than democrat will be a godsend to the nonsense we're putting up with right now. It's a liberal circle jerk right now. I'm registered as Independant.. and the way i feel right now the republicans could put donald duck on the stand and i'd vote for him just to put an end to this lunacy.

p.s. Why do Non Americans feel they have a right to bash political parties in our country? Do you think i really care what party is currently in power in say.. Canada? Or better yet... do i even know what parties exist in canada? Because i honestly dont..... nor care. Because it doesn't apply to me.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by gutted

we're fighting wars BECAUSE of 9/11. Had that event not taken place, it would be a different story.

In Afghanistan, where the people who did the bombings were located, that's applicable. Iraq on the otherhand was and still is just a farce as far as the United States' military exploits are concerned and it will live on as one for decades if not centuries to come.

Originally Posted by gutted

many idiots the world over despise bush, but he didn't start this whole mess. Radical Islam did.

Again, while that can be applied to Afghanistan, radical Islam never has been a problem in Iraq- because Saddam wouldn't tolerate these people. He knew their destructive capabilities, so he kept them out. When we invaded and toppled him, there was no way to keep them from flowing in. And now Iraq is in the state it's in because of our interference for less than valid reasons.

Originally Posted by gutted

thankfully, bush WAS in office then.. because if that idiot Al Gore was.. who knows wtf would have happened. He prolly would have blamed it on global warming.. or they may have attacked again due to a weak response on our part.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not on that last part.

Originally Posted by gutted

It's easy to blame bush, but bush held the roof down. He had principles and was rigid. you knew what you were getting, and he was the right man for that job.

Lol, "held the roof down". Why is it that all this tension in the Middle East didn't explode like it has now until we invaded Iraq? That did nothing but boil the pot over, and it wasn't even for a valid reason that we entered. God only knows how many ordinary people died; who knows how many children. Bush only knew the number of soldiers because he had people to count the casualties for him; 6,000 of our soldiers alone killed, 35,000 wounded- and that's not even counting Coalition numbers. The Opinion Research Business surveys conducted suggest numbers for total dead (civilian, military, insurgent) a number between 733,150 to 1,446,000.

Nothing short of a condoned, senseless slaughter.

Originally Posted by gutted

This amature we have now? pffft. dont even get me started on that tele-prompting arse kissing puppet.

Lol, he hasn't even been in office a year and already the right attacks him like he's been there two terms already. Look, Bush had 8 years to fix our problems. And while he's not to blame for causing all the ones we're currently facing, he certainly didn't do a lot to prevent the ones we're still having to contend with which began under his administration. Iraq aside, he failed to provide any kind of oversight into the flimsy mortgage-backed securities market (which is part of the reason why we find ourselves in this current economic mess, his legislative actions allowed the NSA to perform warrantless surveillance of people they considered "suspects of enemy support", the country's deficit ballooned under his administration, the No Child Left Behind act ultimately did nothing but cost us millions of dollars and teach our children how to take tests (and not how to memorize and apply what they learned to everyday life), his response to the effects of Katrina were not only incompetent but also outrageously ineffective in the end, and the whole Guantanamo Bay affair will more than likely leave him (and rightfully so) as one of the worst presidents in this country's history.

I will admit though that his work with AIDS in Africa is quite commendable, and he should be recognized more for it (that applies to you, Meo). And it is also true that his establishment of the Department of Homeland Security did a lot to help prevent further terrorist attacks. He's not THE worst president, but the large number of failings he had as president certainly don't assuage the small number of successes. If anyone, Warren G. Harding was the worst for letting the treasury fall apart like it did. Then Hoover and Roosevelt were stuck with his mess.

Originally Posted by gutted

in 2012.. any party OTHER than democrat will be a godsend to the nonsense we're putting up with right now. It's a liberal circle jerk right now. I'm registered as Independant.. and the way i feel right now the republicans could put donald duck on the stand and i'd vote for him just to put an end to this lunacy.

Well you certainly don't lean as an Independent. Nothing but good things to say about Bush and nothing but bad things to say about Obama. I'm a member of the Social Democrat Party, but take notice the only times I ever bother to jump on Bush is when people outlandishly claim he was nothing but a great president who had no failings whatsoever. I don't call him the worst, and I don't call Obama the best. Somebody better will always come along.

Originally Posted by gutted

p.s. Why do Non Americans feel they have a right to bash political parties in our country?

Because we have something called freedom of speech and they're entitled to it as much as any other person, no matter what you or anyone else thinks.

Originally Posted by gutted

Do you think i really care what party is currently in power in say.. Canada? Or better yet... do i even know what parties exist in canada? Because i honestly dont..... nor care. Because it doesn't apply to me.

Your words say one thing, your actions speak volumes of another. To even acknowledge these people even though you scrutinize them shows you care to some extent; your better move would have been to simply ignore them and not even pay attention to them. Not that it makes this kind of attitude any less stupid, because parties in power in Canada effect the politics of the world. You'd be wise, as a result, to pay attention more to them.

we're fighting wars BECAUSE of 9/11

No, you are fighting wars because Bush decided to fight a stupid war instead of fighting the war that was because of 9/11.
Having an idiot wasting time and resources is the reason why you are still completely stuck.

p.s. Why do Non Americans feel they have a right to bash political parties in our country?

Because as your country is a global power it affects people all over the world.
So when you elect a moron we have the right to criticise it.

do i even know what parties exist in canada? Because i honestly dont..... nor care

Ah that unique approach where people revel in ignorance. I can see why you like Bush.

[gutted]

Ignorance is bliss

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by gutted

Ignorance is bliss

And pulling out a one liner to counter opposing views doesn't make yours any more correct. Quite the contrary, actually. Lends more credence to the statements of the opposition by imponing that you cannot back up your position with anything valid.

[gutted]

I'm not trying to counter anything. Contrary to the internet standard of arguing and picking apart every line of someones post to prove a point... i put out my viewpoint and move on (most of the time).

Noone is going to change my (or his) mind, so why bother?

[Stealth Hunter]

Why not? It doesn't mean others with more open minds don't listen and change. Nothing lost but some time.